What did the Buddah actually achieve?

[OEN34]

Originally Posted by BlueSky

Just for the sake of discussion, you say that you are not there so you must have some thoughts on where there is. How do you imagine someone who is there would react in a situation such as the robins were in. If it was your children do you imagine "there" being detached and at peace? Is that what you want?

I don't think your approach is for the sake of discussion, I think you disagree with my opinion, and clearly Sky123's opinion. This is absolutely fine that you disagree, but I sense a bat and ball approach here.

Many countries in Africa actually celebrate the death of a loved one. It is considered a welcoming to the other realm leaving their bodies.

You perhaps disagree with a culture singing and celebrating a loved ones death thinking they are insane and lack compassion, whereas in their opinion they probably think you're the insane one for sobbing uncontrollably in the same situation and not being able to see the depthness of who we really are.

Take care.

[sky]

Originally Posted by OEN34

I don't think your approach is for the sake of discussion, I think you disagree with my opinion, and clearly Sky123's opinion. This is absolutely fine that you disagree, but I sense a bat and ball approach here.

Many countries in Africa actually celebrate the death of a loved one. It is considered a welcoming to the other realm leaving their bodies.

You perhaps disagree with a culture singing and celebrating a loved ones death thinking they are insane and lack compassion, whereas in their opinion they probably think you're the insane one for sobbing uncontrollably in the same situation and not being able to see the depthness of who we really are.

Take care.

I think the Robins understood impermanence more than some humans do, ' Birdbrain ' takes on a different meaning when you think about it.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by OEN34

I don't think your approach is for the sake of discussion, I think you disagree with my opinion, and clearly Sky123's opinion. This is absolutely fine that you disagree, but I sense a bat and ball approach here.

Many countries in Africa actually celebrate the death of a loved one. It is considered a welcoming to the other realm leaving their bodies.

Any African country would have numerous cultural groups. If there are cultures that don't have mourning rituals, can you name them specifically?

You perhaps disagree with a culture singing and celebrating a loved ones death thinking they are insane and lack compassion, whereas in their opinion they probably think you're the insane one for sobbing uncontrollably in the same situation and not being able to see the depthness of who we really are.

Take care.

[blossomingtree]

Many animals do feel sad, I believe, but agree with catsquotl that we really don't know how they are feeling/what they perceive... (at least I don't, I'm not a biologist)

Having said that this whole conversation reminds me of the following:

The Story of Kisa Gautami: Parable of the Mustard Seed

BT

[OEN34]

Originally Posted by Gem

Any African country would have numerous cultural groups. If there are cultures that don't have mourning rituals, can you name them specifically?

I'm not sure why you'd want me to go through and provide a list of the rituals that don't mourn. I have no desire to research this and am really not interested in them.

I was just sharing a point that in certain parts of Africa they celebrate death, which says not everyone mourns.

I'm not a scholar of African death rituals dude

[sky]

Originally Posted by blossomingtree

Many animals do feel sad, I believe, but agree with catsquotl that we really don't know how they are feeling/what they perceive... (at least I don't, I'm not a biologist)

Having said that this whole conversation reminds me of the following:

The Story of Kisa Gautami: Parable of the Mustard Seed

BT

When I first read this Parable I rememberd that Jesus also uses the Mustard seed in his teachings. I wonder why they both used Mustard seeds, why not other seeds.... . Seeds are tiny and insignificant until planted then they show their value and strength, is there a hidden message.
More useless thoughts

[sky]

Originally Posted by OEN34

I'm not sure why you'd want me to go through and provide a list of the rituals that don't mourn. I have no desire to research this and am really not interested in them.

I was just sharing a point that in certain parts of Africa they celebrate death, which says not everyone mourns.

I'm not a scholar of African death rituals dude

I think if people are really honest there are times when we celebrate death. I celebrated the passing of my Mum after watching her suffer over many years, of course I mourned, I shed tears, but I celebrated the peace that she gained.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by OEN34

I'm not sure why you'd want me to go through and provide a list of the rituals that don't mourn. I have no desire to research this and am really not interested in them.

I only really needed one.

I was just sharing a point that in certain parts of Africa they celebrate death, which says not everyone mourns.

I'm not a scholar of African death rituals dude

Which part? (I'm only asking for one).

[sky]

I see mourning as a set of rituals based on culture/beliefs and grief as feelings/emotions.
Many cultures do have elaborate mourning ceremonies /celebrations which seem strange to outsiders but do they suffer grief.... who knows, everyone is different and I do think it depends how you percieve the death of a body.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by OEN34

I don't think your approach is for the sake of discussion, I think you disagree with my opinion, and clearly Sky123's opinion. This is absolutely fine that you disagree, but I sense a bat and ball approach here.

Many countries in Africa actually celebrate the death of a loved one. It is considered a welcoming to the other realm leaving their bodies.

You perhaps disagree with a culture singing and celebrating a loved ones death thinking they are insane and lack compassion, whereas in their opinion they probably think you're the insane one for sobbing uncontrollably in the same situation and not being able to see the depthness of who we really are.

Take care.

No you have me all wrong and it has nothing to do with celebrating the passing of a loved one.
Its about the initial reaction which in the case of the Robin's seems completely without emotion.
I get that with Robin's but what I don't get is when someone seems to be saying that they hope to reach such a state.
My curiosity is strictly for discussion and I'm sorry you see something more than that.
Finally it's not about seeing the indeptness of who we are, it's about desiring such indeptness apart from knowing that is who we are. What intrigues me is why someone would want that or defend that.