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Old 16-09-2019, 06:50 PM
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Yes, this. It's like the story of the blind men and the elephant:

A group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. In the case of the first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear.

The Rig Veda says ékaṃ sád víprā bahudhā́ vadanty, "That which is One, the sages give many names". And then when we all disagree on what kind of animal it is, and who is right and who is wrong, all hell breaks loose, and the fighting begins.


But what happens when one of the blind men who touches the elephant is a murderer, rapist, and a property confiscator? Is his word any less believable than perhaps another blind man who touches the elephant who has good morals?

My point is. Regardless of what a religion says, people will still look to its founder as a source of inspiration. Well, what exactly is inspiring about Muhammad's personality from the perspective of our modern constitutional republic/democratic ideals?
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Old 17-09-2019, 05:56 AM
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But what happens when one of the blind men who touches the elephant is a murderer, rapist, and a property confiscator? Is his word any less believable than perhaps another blind man who touches the elephant who has good morals?

My point is. Regardless of what a religion says, people will still look to its founder as a source of inspiration. Well, what exactly is inspiring about Muhammad's personality from the perspective of our modern constitutional republic/democratic ideals?
Is your religion based upon a modern constitutional republic/democratic ideals?

What inspiration do you receive from that?

You seem to know a lot about Islam. I am curious how much of the Qur'an have you actually read?
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Old 17-09-2019, 06:22 AM
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You are referring to Roman Catholicism, which is a *******ization of original Christianity. Also the United States does not have a state-sponsored religion. Most of the ones who did those things that you described were atheist. I addressed your point, now can you address mine about the origins and behavior of Muhammad? Also the pagan country (Japan) supposedly attacked the USA first so I dont get what your point is. Some argue the nukes saved lives because the more would have died in a longer, drawn-out conventional war


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Old 19-09-2019, 05:33 AM
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Is your religion based upon a modern constitutional republic/democratic ideals?

What inspiration do you receive from that?

You seem to know a lot about Islam. I am curious how much of the Qur'an have you actually read?


I've researched Islamic concepts such as Taqiya and I have witnessed with my own eyes parts of the Quran that describe Muhammad's lifestyle and it is a lifestyle of conquest
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Old 19-09-2019, 07:24 AM
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Shia Islam is usually involved with Taqiya. They only represent about 10% of Muslims.

As for Muhammad's lifestyle and his conquest, can you recite the parts of the Qur'an where your "own eyes" " have witnessed" this?
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