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Old 03-11-2019, 05:39 PM
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The Apostle for the Gentiles is oddly remembered for his 'conservative' viewpoints. not for his liberal positions.

The idea of allowing Gentiles into the 'fold' was something the Jewish sect that was separating from Judaism to get its own identity was a radical concept. Paul opened this door and allowed Christianity to spread eventually throughout the world. this was a radical, liberal position.

Something Christians do not talk about, Paul was the most liberal of the 13 living Apostles. Those who believe Paul was extremely conservative should also look at the other living Apostles who were even more conservative than Paul.


They were probably all as bad as each other due to their upbringing /culture.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:03 PM
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They were probably all as bad as each other due to their upbringing /culture.
Being they were initially part of the Jewish faith, are you going after the Jewish faith or the Christian faith?
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Being they were initially part of the Jewish faith, are you going after the Jewish faith or the Christian faith?



Take your pick
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:57 AM
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They were probably all as bad as each other due to their upbringing /culture.
You consider all of the Apostles to be bad due to their upbringing/culture.

What bad things would you accuse each one in the group with?
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You consider all of the Apostles to be bad due to their upbringing/culture.

What bad things would you accuse each one in the group with?



' As bad as each other ' - Don't take sides.
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Paul probably had his wife shackled to the kitchen sink with gorilla tape around her mouth

You are absolutely terrible.
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That's why religions are for idiots.Only a stupid person cannot accept that women have the right to hold priesthoods in church.Fortunaly people are starting to awake and question things,but as usual the religious egregores are so strong,that few can eradicate them from their psyche.
I would also love to see a transexual priest,or a gay one.

We are in agreement that there should be no discrimination regarding women, transexuals, gays, or any others in the priesthoods of the various churches.
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The Apostle for the Gentiles is oddly remembered for his 'conservative' viewpoints. not for his liberal positions.

The idea of allowing Gentiles into the 'fold' was something the Jewish sect that was separating from Judaism to get its own identity was a radical concept. Paul opened this door and allowed Christianity to spread eventually throughout the world. this was a radical, liberal position.

Something Christians do not talk about, Paul was the most liberal of the 13 living Apostles. Those who believe Paul was extremely conservative should also look at the other living Apostles who were even more conservative than Paul.

There are both good and problematic aspects to all of us, including me.
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Old 04-11-2019, 03:42 PM
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We are in agreement that there should be no discrimination regarding women, transexuals, gays, or any others in the priesthoods of the various churches.
THE PROBLEM IS........
֍ how we go about making such changes. ֎

People who attack various religions claiming their members are terrible people and
that the early religion's Fathers were despicable people starts into play a defensive envelope.

Nothing of any good can come about with these attacks.

But then....... if people want a religion to change, they might want to look at the religion and look at such expressions from their religion's Fathers that can be used. For example, Paul was the most liberal of the 13 living Apostles. Those who oppose Christianity claim he was the most conservative. Instead of creating a greater divide among Christians and those who oppose Christianity, It might be advantageous to Christian opposers to look at Paul and note his progressive beliefs that pulled what would be Christianity out of Judaism. He started the changes. He did cling to some Jewish beliefs which probably was done so as to not lose the core: the original Jews who were at first the primary believers.In time, if Paul was still alive, those believes would also change.
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There are both good and problematic aspects to all of us, including me.
How would you feel if some people only dwell on only your
'problematic aspects'

but once they come to really know you.................?
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