What Is.

[Shabda]

Originally Posted by Gem

Hehheheheh ropes in a coupe of answers though.

Any apparition only occurs as distinct from all others, and there must be other things for any thing to be... and we try to make everything 'one' to sate the spiritual ideal but creation and destruction are simultaneously interdefining, and each is but the contrast of that which it is not.

yes, within the ream of duality this is true, but, have you ever considered that there may be a state beyond duality?

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Shabda

yes, within the ream of duality this is true, but, have you ever considered that there may be a state beyond duality?

No I haven't considered any state that differs from the state that is, and I know it is so popular to imagine one state is duality and another state is oneness, but this segregation of states only serve to beget eachother...

[Shabda]

Originally Posted by Gem

No I haven't considered any state that differs from the state that is, and I know it is so popular to imagine one state is duality and another state is oneness, but this segregation of states only serve to beget eachother...

not true~!

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Gem

No I haven't considered any state that differs from the state that is, and I know it is so popular to imagine one state is duality and another state is oneness, but this segregation of states only serve to beget eachother...

then what you call "what is" is also born out of your imagination.

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And bafflegab* doesn't always baffle brains.



* not sure if I can type "bull****" here

Guess I can't.

Hehehe. ;)

Originally Posted by Gem

My last science thing didn't seem popular, but I'm no scientist, I just dabble around with the fundamentals that underlie math...

The past trail and the imagined future... what difference do these make in eternity? All of that becomes just a dot, like a point in infinity, a zero point field...

The physical isn't inherantly solid, just a density of particles which at the quantum level are just fluctuations of space where nothing of any mass exists.

The experience is of the mind and unless things are consciously cognised they do not appear, and things only appear because a distinction is made between them, so the space between thoughts is the source of apearances, and if no distinction is made then nothing appears in the mind.

We are studying the conscious cognition of things, because things are not inherantly real... they only appear as thoughts or more accurately as a consequence to the distinction between thoughts.

That's what brings me to the fundamental of all this math science stuff, the observation of what only appears to be, and it never is a real thing, only different, changing, temporal, impermanent, in flux and so on.

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you, make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of a eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter {the kingdom}."




Modern day scientist say that an electron can be at two places at one time, it’s called the wave property. This electron is said to manifest in space-time reality when it is observed as a particle. (Symbolism “space” within consciousness “time”) ( a square with no corners) This action is the collapse of a wave.

Modern day scientist say a quantum jump is when the electron “ceases” to exsist in one place and appears in another. This actually does not happen, it’s an illusion. (I have a picture of a material object being in two places at once. When I get to a scanner, I will post it.)

Our observations affect the electron at both places even when we observe the electron in one location. (On earth as it is in Heaven)

An electron being affected by the sense of sight is our current existence. For example, an electron is what creates physical matter. We can only see one end of the spectrum of created mass. When we are not looking, all matter is, well parallel, a parallel universe.

When we do what Jesus speaks of, becoming one, bringing the opposites of the spectrum together, Good-Evil, Jesus-Antichrist, Yin-Yang, our existence will change into a state of static. No more learning, evolving, etc. We will be in a state of awareness in eternal bliss. There will be no more need of the senses. The locking of all opposites, (twin flames, etc.) is oneness. There will be no more parallel universes. (this is taking us (vessel) "long time"

Motion and rest is duality, motion (electromagnetic energy) needs rest to exist, and rest (static) does not need motion to exist. Once static, even that energy will not exist, only consciousness (awareness of bliss) will exist. (the best sound and the best image.)



I am not detachment nor salvation,

Nor anything reached by the senses;

I am behold all thought and form.

I am everywhere, and nowhere at all-

I am Consciousness and Bliss.



I am Shiva! I am Shiva!



- Shankaracharya

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Shabda

not true~!

I think you did refer to duality and also a differing state.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Gracey

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you, make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of a eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter {the kingdom}."

The two into one... That's good.

Modern day scientist say that an electron can be at two places at one time, it’s called the wave property. This electron is said to manifest in space-time reality when it is observed as a particle. (Symbolism “space” within consciousness “time”) ( a square with no corners) This action is the collapse of a wave.

Modern day scientist say a quantum jump is when the electron “ceases” to exsist in one place and appears in another. This actually does not happen, it’s an illusion. (I have a picture of a material object being in two places at once. When I get to a scanner, I will post it.)

Our observations affect the electron at both places even when we observe the electron in one location. (On earth as it is in Heaven)

An electron being affected by the sense of sight is our current existence. For example, an electron is what creates physical matter. We can only see one end of the spectrum of created mass. When we are not looking, all matter is, well parallel, a parallel universe.

When we do what Jesus speaks of, becoming one, bringing the opposites of the spectrum together, Good-Evil, Jesus-Antichrist, Yin-Yang, our existence will change into a state of static. No more learning, evolving, etc. We will be in a state of awareness in eternal bliss. There will be no more need of the senses. The locking of all opposites, (twin flames, etc.) is oneness. There will be no more parallel universes. (this is taking us (vessel) "long time"

Motion and rest is duality, motion (electromagnetic energy) needs rest to exist, and rest (static) does not need motion to exist. Once static, even that energy will not exist, only consciousness (awareness of bliss) will exist. (the best sound and the best image.)



I am not detachment nor salvation,

Nor anything reached by the senses;

I am behold all thought and form.

I am everywhere, and nowhere at all-

I am Consciousness and Bliss.



I am Shiva! I am Shiva!



- Shankaracharya

[Gem]

Originally Posted by hybrid

then what you call "what is" is also born out of your imagination.

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It depends if reality is used to define what is imaginary, and since each individual has a different experience one could say it is all imaginary, but because the creation of one thing results in the occurance of its contrast, what is just remains a balance of interdefinition.

The thing that people like to imagine is duality in contrast to oneness, but that is a distinction between states.

The rightousness is rearing it's clown head pretty quickly as the 'not true' and 'bulldust' appear in the face of what I'm saying, but what is presented by these sayers is a state of duality and a differing state beyond it.

I'm only saying there is a state of interbeing and it appears as interdefining things, and the whole shibang rests on a distinction which procures this differentiation.