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10-04-2011, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
what laws do you think we should consider?
is it not easy to say the law of God can do anything, and such and such can happen in a different plane of reality, yes that is a simple way out. for me there is no deep thought process in saying lets just play on a different reality plane and not have to work at trying to understand how God uses the natural world over, and over, and over, again to teach us things. it is our basic human nature to learn, that is what humans do best, and we learn best by thinking with nature.
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then by all means learn~!! learn first that the laws of physics do not apply, then go from there and learn more...
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10-04-2011, 06:40 PM
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then by all means learn~!! learn first that the laws of physics do not apply, then go from there and learn more...
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im all with you on what the light/sound is, to me they portray a pathway of ulimited knowledge, which comes from understanding, which comes from wisdom. The question is which comes first, as the same between, first wisdom then undestanding, asends to knowledge. The question is easily answered when concepts of '1st wisdom and 2nd understanding' are explored.
Maybe the question of which comes first, could be better asked; is wisdom light or sound? and/or, is understanding light or sound? The one that is wisdom comes first. imo, the op is not about how much physics humanity has opened up, but it is a much deeper spiritual exploratory conversation about wisdom and understanding. |
10-04-2011, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mathew James
im all with you on what the light/sound is, to me they portray a pathway of ulimited knowledge, which comes from understanding, which comes from wisdom. The question is which comes first, as the same between, first wisdom then undestanding, asends to knowledge. The question is easily answered when concepts of '1st wisdom and 2nd understanding' are explored.
Maybe the question of which comes first, could be better asked; is wisdom light or sound? and/or, is understanding light or sound? The one that is wisdom comes first. imo, the op is not about how much physics humanity has opened up, but it is a much deeper spiritual exploratory conversation about wisdom and understanding.
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ill make yet another point...before wisdom or understanding even come into play, there is experience, one must gain this first, and this can be gotten from experience with the light and sound...
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10-04-2011, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
ill make yet another point...before wisdom or understanding even come into play, there is experience, one must gain this first, and this can be gotten from experience with the light and sound...
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10-04-2011, 09:28 PM
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ill make yet another point...before wisdom or understanding even come into play, there is experience, one must gain this first, and this can be gotten from experience with the light and sound...
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I would agree with that.
But Shabda and I come from a similar meditation background.
We kinda "get" the experience thing.
Experience "it" and wisdom and insight come, imo.
This sure is a foriegn idea to Bible readers. Yet, all throughout the Bible
Light is spoken of and the sound of rushing waters and the Word...
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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10-04-2011, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
I would agree with that.
But Shabda and I come from a similar meditation background.
We kinda "get" the experience thing.
Experience "it" and wisdom and insight come, imo.
This sure is a foriegn idea to Bible readers. Yet, all throughout the Bible
Light is spoken of and the sound of rushing waters and the Word...
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this is true, so someone then was well aware of both the light and the sound...also there are some Essense gospels that speak very clearly of both...this being the case presents the idea that sound is not so far off the mark as it may appear to be to some...
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"Not Christian or Jew or Muslim, not Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, or Zen. Not any religion or cultural system. I am not from the East or the West, not out of the ocean or up from the ground, not natural or ethereal, not composed of elements at all... I belong to the Beloved, have seen the two worlds as one and that one call to and know, first, last, outer, inner, only that breath breathing human being."
Rumi
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10-04-2011, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Shabda
this is true, so someone then was well aware of both the light and the sound...also there are some Essense gospels that speak very clearly of both...this being the case presents the idea that sound is not so far off the mark as it may appear to be to some...
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for some it is a common thought to read the books of Enoch, Ancient Abraham, Torah, Propecies, Gospel (excluding letters from Paul), and the Qur'an as all equally the voice (sound) of our Creator.
as it is to see the Light of the world in all its magnifiant forms (sun, stars, moon-reflection of sun) as the Spirit of the Creator.
So the question really is did the Creator Voice or the Creator Spirit come first. If so, the answer is they always were. |
10-04-2011, 11:45 PM
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for some it is a common thought to read the books of Enoch, Ancient Abraham, Torah, Propecies, Gospel (excluding letters from Paul), and the Qur'an as all equally the voice (sound) of our Creator.
as it is to see the Light of the world in all its magnifiant forms (sun, stars, moon-reflection of sun) as the Spirit of the Creator.
So the question really is did the Creator Voice or the Creator Spirit come first. If so, the answer is they always were.
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imo...the Creator's Spirit always was, and It's Voice came next, and this Voice is both sound and light, and is in effect God's will in action...
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11-04-2011, 09:57 AM
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Hi Guy's .
I haven't read all the posts  .
I would say that within the silence and within the darkness there Is sound .
Where Is the light . There Is no light but yet there Is sound .
The light came from within the darkness .
Light and duality came from within the silence and the sound .
x daz x
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11-04-2011, 11:05 AM
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It hit me when I was out walking the dog... "As above, so below. As below, so above".
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