"I HAVE A GOOD QUESTION"

well.. everything must have a beginning, nothing can't exist without it..

I agree with that statement James, even in a 'eternal' realm with no time.. it would have to have had a beginning in my opinion.

You're thinking only in human terms, with a human brain. Every living being on this planet had a beginning because we are physical. God is spiritual, not physical. You can't comprehend it because it's not part of our make up to understand what that really means. Similar to infinity, can't comprehend it because we are limited physical beings.

God became god when the first human tried to define something he couldn't understand. Throughout human history there have been many, many gods and goddess'. The first monotheistic god was introduced by Pharaoh Akhenaten around 1330 BC (that's only a few hundred years after the Jewish God created the world...lol). Akhenaten's god was named Atem - the Sun God because the Pharaoh had experienced extraterrestrial beings who told him that the universe and all it contained originated from outside our global universe.

Atem became Abraham's God and then - the Christians God; Mohammad's Allah. The appropriate conclusion is that man created god, not the other way around.

Ok james, obiously the religious answers arent working for you.

What happens when leaves fall on the ground? They get decomposed right?

And what happens? The worm eats it, the worms deficates, and bacteria turn it into soil. Plants eat soil, animals eat plants, which turn into its reproductive cells. The animal dies, decomposes, and it begins again.

Scientists now theorize that before the big bang, there was "nothing" as we woiuld see it, but "nothing" doesnt exsist. Everything is made up of base elements, carbon being the major one. This is made up of energy. The rule as we know now is "energy cannot be destroyed or created, only change forms".

That is god, and the universe. IT never ceases to exist, only changes. The same cycle of the leaf, is played out in the universe. The earth is made up of debris from the formation of the solarsystem, which was made up of the remnants of the big bang, which was made from he destruction of another universe, or if you will, "god".

If your going to use bible verses, you have to understand "he" is a common translation. The original jewish translation wouldve been plurel, as in "they". An example is, it isnt " god made us in his image", its " they made us is their image" ( its in genesis look it up). This is how the original jewish texts read, because they dont see god as being male or female, its just is ( which is essentialy the same idea as the scientific veiw, only that science has proof, religion has faith).

The main thing is to understand there is no "nothing" or the like, its only our lack of perception, and lack of ability it percieve it at all. There is always going to be energy in some base form, just changed from what we even see as "exsistance".

Originally Posted by Time

Ok james, obiously the religious answers arent working for you.

What happens when leaves fall on the ground? They get decomposed right?

And what happens? The worm eats it, the worms deficates, and bacteria turn it into soil. Plants eat soil, animals eat plants, which turn into its reproductive cells. The animal dies, decomposes, and it begins again.

Scientists now theorize that before the big bang, there was "nothing" as we woiuld see it, but "nothing" doesnt exsist. Everything is made up of base elements, carbon being the major one. This is made up of energy. The rule as we know now is "energy cannot be destroyed or created, only change forms".

That is god, and the universe. IT never ceases to exist, only changes. The same cycle of the leaf, is played out in the universe. The earth is made up of debris from the formation of the solarsystem, which was made up of the remnants of the big bang, which was made from he destruction of another universe, or if you will, "god".

If your going to use bible verses, you have to understand "he" is a common translation. The original jewish translation wouldve been plurel, as in "they". An example is, it isnt " god made us in his image", its " they made us is their image" ( its in genesis look it up). This is how the original jewish texts read, because they dont see god as being male or female, its just is ( which is essentialy the same idea as the scientific veiw, only that science has proof, religion has faith).

The main thing is to understand there is no "nothing" or the like, its only our lack of perception, and lack of ability it percieve it at all. There is always going to be energy in some base form, just changed from what we even see as "exsistance".

Excellent response, Time...thank you!

nice one Time.. but thats not enough for me.. you speak of a cycle... but every cycle has a beginning... it doesn't just appear from nowhere.,,

about the big bang, how did it came to be? where did all the components, the elements came from in the big bang?

i know "nothing" don't exist.. but many say that the universe came from nothing,,,

speaking of the universe, if our galaxy is in space, and space is in the universe, whats outside of the universe.,,?

one part of me is saying that were not alone in this galaxy, i think that on the other side of the galaxy, there may be a planet similar to planet earth.,

and what if those extraterrestrials or "gods" are not as far as we might think?

Originally Posted by jamesart7

nice one Time.. but thats not enough for me.. you speak of a cycle... but every cycle has a beginning... it doesn't just appear from nowhere.,,

about the big bang, how did it came to be? where did all the components, the elements came from in the big bang?

i know "nothing" don't exist.. but many say that the universe came from nothing,,,

speaking of the universe, if our galaxy is in space, and space is in the universe, whats outside of the universe.,,?

one part of me is saying that were not alone in this galaxy, i think that on the other side of the galaxy, there may be a planet similar to planet earth.,

and what if those extraterrestrials or "gods" are not as far as we might think?

Spot on!

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Thats the thing, we ASSUME that there is nothing, and that things cant come about from nothing. Life came abotu from almost nothing at all, just a random mutation of a bacteria like organism, that ended up replicating itself.

They know that before the big bang there wasnt "nothing". There was still the base energy or elements that make all matter, and yes, anti matter. We just think of it as "nothing" because we automaticaly assume "nothing" means non exsistance, NOT just something we cant comprehend.

So you have to think, generaly, if there actualy was "nothing" as in non ecsistance, then your right, how can something come from that? Then , common sence would say, "well, then there would have to be SOMETHING". That something is the energy that created everything.

Think of it this way. An explision, which is what the big bang was, would need 2 things: fuel, and pressure. This would suggest that things wouldve been so concended, that we probably wouldnt even see it, or see it as somethng.


The big bang happened, because of how dence the exsisting matter and energy was. IF you shake a can of pop good enough, youll explode the can right? Its the exact same thing.

I still havnt read too much on what was before the big bang, because that is really the main goal of astrophysisits atm. BUT, from what ive raed, i have to assume, that there was a universe before this one, and it was compressed and broken down by a giant black hole. This started it all over again with the big bang.

IT just has never stopped. Just because we cant comprehend that there has always been something, doesnt mean it didnt happen. Its actualy the only thing that makes any sence with common univeral creation


But i definetly agree, there is something else out there. Probably not anything liek we can imagine, because life here evolved with specific causes and effects to make things look like they do. The situation would be, basicaly the same, but the out come would be totaly differe

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Originally Posted by Time

If your going to use bible verses, you have to understand "he" is a common translation. The original jewish translation wouldve been plurel, as in "they". An example is, it isnt " god made us in his image", its " they made us is their image" ( its in genesis look it up). This is how the original jewish texts read, because they dont see god as being male or female, its just is ( which is essentialy the same idea as the scientific veiw, only that science has proof, religion has faith).

If you're going to use Jewish scripture, you might try to get it right. While it is true that in Genesis 1:26 we find נַעֲשֶׂה אָדָם בְּצַלְמֵנוּ "Let us make man in our image...", the creation itself, Genesis 1:27 is described וַיִּבְרָא אֱלֹהִים אֶת-הָאָדָם בְּצַלְמוֹ as G-d making man in His own image. There is plural usage in the first verse, singular usage in the second.

B'shalom,

Peter