Being saved.

[hallow]

I am wondering why does it seem so important to feel like someone will save you? Being god, or some religious figure. I also wonder why some people seem to wait for or depend on someone to swoop in there lives and save them when everything you need comes from within.

Originally Posted by hallow

I am wondering why does it seem so important to feel like someone will save you? Being god, or some religious figure. I also wonder why some people seem to wait for or depend on someone to swoop in there lives and save them when everything you need comes from within.

That's at the root of the problem, isn't it? Not only spiritually speaking but also in everyday life.

You alluded to the answer, at least as I see it, in your statement "everything you need comes from within". I'll phrase it differently and that it's a problem of identification or more accurately misidentification. That is we identify with the "Who" and not the "What" of our being.

[Dargor]

When someone has no chance (like being terminally ill or disabled) and is totally desperate, it's only natural that they turn their attention towards something higher. Not that any deity would help them in the first place, but powerlessness is unfortunately a real thing.

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

When someone has no chance (like being terminally ill or disabled) and is totally desperate, it's only natural that they turn their attention towards something higher. Not that any deity would help them in the first place, but powerlessness is unfortunately a real thing.

The idea behind liberation (from suffering) is a knowing one is not the body-mind. Of course there can still be physical suffering but not emotional suffering over loss or non-functioning of something that is not you.

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

The idea behind liberation (from suffering) is a knowing one is not the body-mind. Of course there can still be physical suffering but not emotional suffering over loss or non-functioning of something that is not you.

I don't really understand this part.

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

I don't really understand this part.

A simple yet effective test is close your eyes and silently say 'I'. If you identify 'I' with any aspect of body-mind you're susceptible to emotional suffering. On the other hand if you identify with pure awareness that's a huge defense against emotional suffering.

Call it No Self, call it Atman. Same thing in my way of looking at it.

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

A simple yet effective test is close your eyes and silently say 'I'. If you identify 'I' with any aspect of body-mind you're susceptible to emotional suffering. On the other hand if you identify with pure awareness that's a huge defense against emotional suffering.

Call it No Self, call it Atman. Same thing in my way of looking at it.

Well when I try that, I actually identify ''I'' as my own awareness and personality unique to myself only, so where would you place that? I don't have a feeling that I'm ''nobody''.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

When someone has no chance (like being terminally ill or disabled) and is totally desperate, it's only natural that they turn their attention towards something higher. Not that any deity would help them in the first place, but powerlessness is unfortunately a real thing.

I know very well what your saying but because of my job I see people like you mentioned do some wonderful things. Most don't really understand who religious figures are. But with some help they buy there own will succeed. Just recently there was there was a lady of right mind who was terminally ill she was in rough shape. Then seemingly out of nowhere she started to walk, do more for herself and improve. She will be going home soon. You know why? She simply got sick of being there. She was done with it and wanted to go home. That's what I mean what you need is already there. Sometimes you just have to dig for it. She didn't do it alone she got help, but she saved herself.

[Dargor]

Originally Posted by hallow

I know very well what your saying but because of my job I see people like you mentioned do some wonderful things. Most don't really understand who religious figures are. But with some help they buy there own will succeed. Just recently there was there was a lady of right mind who was terminally ill she was in rough shape. Then seemingly out of nowhere she started to walk, do more for herself and improve. She will be going home soon. You know why? She simply got sick of being there. She was done with it and wanted to go home. That's what I mean what you need is already there. Sometimes you just have to dig for it. She didn't do it alone she got help, but she saved herself.

Was she really terminally ill in that case? Hate to break it to you, but if it was cancer then you can be sure that she'll never be cured from it. I know people who were terminally ill and seemed to improve, only for the same sh#t to return and hit them even harder than before, which is literally always fatal. You simply can't save yourself from something like this.

[hallow]

Originally Posted by SlayerOfLight

Was she really terminally ill in that case? Hate to break it to you, but if it was cancer then you can be sure that she'll never be cured from it. I know people who were terminally ill and seemed to improve, only for the same sh#t to return and hit them even harder than before, which is literally always fatal. You simply can't save yourself from something like this.

it wasn't cancer. It was something else. But the point here is if you're not willing to save yourself. The people who are willing to help you are wasting there time. Bottom line is you wanna save yourself. Saving yourself doesn't mean doing it alone.