Fundamental Differences of Understanding..

[sound]

I feel I am just keeping calm and carrying on Neville lol

Not really related to your post Nev, but nonetheless, while I have this space open again, i will take the opportunity to express, that in my experience, if someone indicates, by whatever means, that they don't want to engage any further, then it is respectful to allow them that choice/space ... the way i see it, both on-line and off, it is their right for that to be acknowledged ...

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Originally Posted by sound

... i will take the opportunity to express, that in my experience, if someone indicates, by whatever means, that they don't want to engage any further, then it is respectful to allow them that choice/space ... the way i see it, both on-line and off, it is their right for that to be acknowledged ...

I quite agree.

There is the question, however, of the topic itself. When two people of polar POVs try to participate in a topic separately there are inevitable discongruities that arise. How does one engage the view of the other, which by circumstance embodies the opposite perspective, without engaging the person?

Many people here see an inevitable spiral to confrontation - and they are right. I question if that is really such a bad thing. Other than the frustration exhibited by one or the other, has the world crumbled?

If anything, I feel in this particular case the parties were closer than ever to having reached a genuine understanding. I found events actually very heartening. In fact, I think it was very close.

There have been other interactions that have not gone so well, I also readily admit. In those situations it has been made so adamently plain that there is no possibility of ever reaching an understanding that the option of disengaging has simply overrode all. If someone puts their mind to it, it is relatively easy to present the impregnable defense.

Ah well, we all eventually get what we really want - and that's really my point.

[sound]

Yeah i understand Humm, most of what you are expressing there ... my point is that if someone says that they dont wish to continue, then, irrespective of what is yet to be 'nutted out', or whatever, that persons wishes need to be respected.
In a group setting, off-line, if someone in the group says, for whatever reason 'I dont wish to speak with you any further because A B C, then that needs to be acknowledged and the conversation (thread) continues minus the interaction between those two individuals. I have been part of that exact situation, and, at the time, there was nothing more to take into consideration other than that persons request. Later, in small sub groups, people had plenty of opinions on what had occurred and the fairness of it blah blah, but the fact remained that rights needed to be upheld.
I guess here, there is the option of private message, if both parties agree, which is probably equivalent to the 2 members in a group setting removing themselves from the group but, in the example i used, that was not an option either for the person who wanted to avoid interaction with the other. It may sound unreasonable on paper but that right is there to be exercised for any one of us. In this discussion, I cant help but wonder what the reaction would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


Hi Rich: When time permits, or if you choose to review these threads.. i'll reference a description i've posted several times, of your phenomena that makes sense in delightfully scientific way, preserving the Great Mystery, the awe and wonder, and even the limitless potential of existence.. so simple, so elegant, so consistent with what 'is'..

Be well..

That would be lovely. I have been conversing with Doctors in India as of late, via a yahoo group on reincarnation, who have been doing past life regressions with clients and getting the same results (same descriptions, messages, etc) that people I've been filming have been getting. What's interesting to me is that these "messages from the masters" as they call them, are slightly contrary to religious beliefs in India, but are being reported without comment in order to share what they have to say. That's what makes these forums a wonderful place to share insight, conjecture, or debate without fear of being burned at the stake, subject to torture, other than verbal ridicule. (Which compared to what they did to the Sufi master (Hassan?) who declared "I know the truth" - and each limb was chopped off a bit at a time.) "Father" he cried, after the critics chewing, "forgive them for they know not what I am doing."

Greetings..

Originally Posted by RichMartini

That would be lovely. I have been conversing with Doctors in India as of late, via a yahoo group on reincarnation, who have been doing past life regressions with clients and getting the same results (same descriptions, messages, etc) that people I've been filming have been getting. What's interesting to me is that these "messages from the masters" as they call them, are slightly contrary to religious beliefs in India, but are being reported without comment in order to share what they have to say. That's what makes these forums a wonderful place to share insight, conjecture, or debate without fear of being burned at the stake, subject to torture, other than verbal ridicule. (Which compared to what they did to the Sufi master (Hassan?) who declared "I know the truth" - and each limb was chopped off a bit at a time.) "Father" he cried, after the critics chewing, "forgive them for they know not what I am doing."

I found a simplified version of my understandings, it is based on the understanding of Energy as the raw material of existence, so here it is:

I understand that we are each individual manifestations of the same One sea of energy, forming from that 'Sea' and returning to it.. as such, the entirety of all that has ever been still resides in that 'sea' in vivid 3D detail with all sensations intact, it resides there as the Collective Cosmic Memory.. when we are still, when the mind is quiet, we can access that memory.. the being that we 'are' has a unique energetic signature, a frequency and vibration unlike any other being's, i favor the term, 'Soul Song' (i made that up, i hope.. i think i did).. anyway, when we access the 'Cosmic Memory' the memories of other 'past lives' will either resonate with us or not, then.. when we recall those experiences of accessing the cosmic memory, we process the recollections in the ways that resonate with us in the physical existence.. if we like angels, we recall angels.. if we like guides, we recall guides, if we favor individuals, we recall 'past lives'.. but, it's all just the same energy that we 'are'.. personally, i favor the 'Soul Songs', i listen to the collective melody of Life, like a great Gregorian Chant, the rising and falling depth and brightness of a Cosmic Om ~ Aum.. in this way i sense the human experience as a brilliant interactive relationship, like an Orchestra playing the Symphony of Life, each of us an instrument..

Be well..

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


Let me make this as clear as i can.. You choose to interpret my expressions of my understanding of existence as telling others what to do or what to believe because those expressions disagree with Xan's beliefs.. and, you feel as if you need to protect Xan.. this is my observation.. it is consistent with what i experience when i interact with you.. you will not have a discussion with me without making it appear as if something is 'wrong' with my posts or with the understandings i post.. i have no interest in this manner of dialogue, or in the character you play on this forum. you do this to others, too..

I come here to interact, to expand my understandings, and i am willing to stand and exchange reasoned scrutiny with anyone... except.. when a member is granted immunity to badger and misrepresent another, greatly exceeding the poor taste i was punished for in the not too distant past.. see the list i provided and with which you agree.. i find you abusive and offensive, relying on passive aggressive tactics to shield your disrespect for me and others.. so, yes, back to ignore land for you.. it's best for all parties, as i will not retreat from confrontation, i will just ignore it.. i am accustomed to 'no holds barred' confrontation, and this venue isn't equipped for that... i have repeatedly asked you to cease and desist, but you taunt and badger with impunity, so.. this will be our last discussion for a while, until i see that you can respect others.. or, until you so egregiously misrepresent my postings that i invoke the moderator's intervention.. i hope we are clear.

In closing, i apologize to everyone for this unfortunate situation, and i hope the ignore function serves its intended purpose.

Be well..

Sadly, Tzu, confrontation is probably the best word to describe what I feel is behind many of your posts as well. I know I certainly did not join Spiritual Forums to endure confrontation...I have experienced way too much of that in my life. I wanted my experience here to be uplifting and infused with love and light that is the essence of each of us individually and collectively. I wanted to help to bring that out more openly from myself and others.

In many cases, I have found much joy in my experience at Spiritual Forums. Lately, however, it seems more confrontational. This makes me sad and it makes me suffer. Maybe it's part of the test of my commitment to achieving a true and pure state of Bodhisattva.

In my attempt to really understand you, I have read some of your Blog posts in your Three Harmony Tai Chi Club website. They are beautiful and they resonate so beautifully with me on so many levels. They are a precious gift.

Sadly, that joy and harmony does not/has not manifested (at least for me) here at Spiritual Forum.

So for now, maybe the best approach IS to "push the ignore button" for a time...don't know what else do do.

With love and light,

Namaste,

Bodhi

Greetings..

Originally Posted by BodhiChan

Sadly, Tzu, confrontation is probably the best word to describe what I feel is behind many of your posts as well. I know I certainly did not join Spiritual Forums to endure confrontation...I have experienced way too much of that in my life. I wanted my experience here to be uplifting and infused with love and light that is the essence of each of us individually and collectively. I wanted to help to bring that out more openly from myself and others.

In many cases, I have found much joy in my experience at Spiritual Forums. Lately, however, it seems more confrontational. This makes me sad and it makes me suffer. Maybe it's part of the test of my commitment to achieving a true and pure state of Bodhisattva.

In my attempt to really understand you, I have read some of your Blog posts in your Three Harmony Tai Chi Club website. They are beautiful and they resonate so beautifully with me on so many levels. They are a precious gift.

Sadly, that joy and harmony does not/has not manifested (at least for me) here at Spiritual Forum.

So for now, maybe the best approach IS to "push the ignore button" for a time...don't know what else do do.

With love and light,

Namaste,

Bodhi

Hi Bodhi: We get what we choose.. i choose my existence, and.. in the case with you, where i chose to see what your understandings were, you responded with, "Wrong".. cool, you chose not to engage, and so we end-up here.. this is the first direct communication you have had with me that wasn't confrontational, what have 'you' chosen?

You're looking to become the "true and pure state of Bodhisattva", i wish you well with that, and.. i ask why don't you choose "true and pure" without limiting it to a particular belief? i am not looking for an answer to that question, but i hope you are..

Be well..

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


Hi Bodhi: We get what we choose.. i choose my existence, and.. in the case with you, where i chose to see what your understandings were, you responded with, "Wrong".. cool, you chose not to engage, and so we end-up here.. this is the first direct communication you have had with me that wasn't confrontational, what have 'you' chosen?

You're looking to become the "true and pure state of Bodhisattva", i wish you well with that, and.. i ask why don't you choose "true and pure" without limiting it to a particular belief? i am not looking for an answer to that question, but i hope you are..

Be well..

Thank you.

Namaste,

Bodhi

[Lynn]

Hello


There are many times when one or more can simply not see eye to eye on any levels, and that at times leads to somoene being singled out. I find that most times not to be always fair. There honestly was a time when Tzu and I didn seem to be on that same page of understandings but ye know what with time an much patients we go there. I honestly think that if we were to meet now for coffee we could well carry on a grand and stimulating conversation that would well take us into the wee hours of the night.

I too was not understood by Humm and we too found in that place and the above rings true in the same setiments. I feel we could well get into conversations. That is how it works. We find that one strand of common grounds to build on.

Yes some have a 'strong' opinion and there is nothng wrong in that as that might simply be a part of one's personality. I know this well from running a Metaphysical Socieity I have just taken the lead position and I have come to be under fire for having a stronger view on 'how' I see things going and how I do things. I am like and ice cream sandwich soft and creamy on the inside but if need be I have that hard outter shell that holds it all together.

Honetly the fundemental difference is that we are beings of free will and beings of feelings and emotions and honestly personalities that at times seem "hard edged" I have seen the soft insides of many here, or maybe I simply am able to take off the blinders and see the 'full person' before me and not just the words on the page.

There are so many fundimental differenes but we still can be on that same page can we no on some levels. Please stop and take but that breathe in before one hits that send button and see the 'whole' picture of what one has put forth. Then maybe we will be able to find understandings in our differences and see that stronger opinions are not attacts but simply how one is as that whole person and that does not make one wrong.

Lynn

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Lynn]Hello Please stop and take but that breathe in before one hits that send button and see the 'whole' picture of what one has put forth. Then maybe we will be able to find understandings in our differences and see that stronger opinions are not attacts but simply how one is as that whole person and that does not make one wrong. Lynn

Start with the "whole"--- as in the whole Universe ---and that way none of the "whole" persons, or "whole" parts excluded.

To comprehend the whole, is to grasp the whole, and we do that with words, not our hands.

Some may do it with no words, and rely on communication with others in other ways, or avoid a two-way communication altogether by

1) saying nothing( most simple ) and avoids forums, groups and communication,

2) only saying and not listening( one sided ) but does give information, irrespective of correct or incorrect so blind to feedback,

3) only listens ergo gives no information ergo black hole sponge.

We ride the waves of emotion with the words of accompaniment.

Grab your partner and dosey doh, spin'em around, and off they go!

Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows.

Rybo the Rybot from planet Rybon spreading Rybonic Seed