Self - open discussion

[Gem]

Originally Posted by andrew g

More attack here yet no willingness to look at your own self-image.

I have illustrated as clearly as I can (which is hard given the nature of the issue) the way in which humans live in a split way. Hybrid also offered the 'mirror image' way of explaining this.

Quite simply, humans believe that they exist. Thats what it is to be self-aware. This self awareness gives us the capacity to play, create and celebrate in wonderful ways, but on the other side of the coin, it means we live with a sense of disconnection, and its why we try to own, possess, consume, attain and achieve. We try and resolve this sense of disconnection through the form of life. Eventually we look within, and even this looking within is part of the attaining, but I would say that it does increase our odds of transcending that sense of disconnection and transcending self-awareness so that we can have a direct experience. It seems to me that you still have a strong preference for an indirect experience though, and I dont see much inclination demonstrated by you to sincerely look within.

How attached to the truth of these concepts am I? What I heard is.....'a bit'.

Maybe the thought is the act that creates duality, but the observation of thought reveals that the primary act of discerning only creates a 'between', and your theory is assumed by focusing on seperate things and ignoring the initial singularity of betweeness.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Gem

Maybe the thought is the act that creates duality, but the observation of thought reveals that the primary act of discerning only creates a 'between', and your theory is assumed by focusing on seperate things and ignoring the initial singularity of betweeness.

You have it backwards. Duality/Creation exists prior to thought. Rocks would still be here if thinking humans were not.

Individual consciousness is prior to thought. Self is prior to thought, or perhaps to avoid more confusion...the No-Self is prior to thought. Spirit is prior to the human. Humans are Divinity/Source Individuated and the Individuation part is the mould out of which the human is given form and materialized.

Or to put in your style of wording, we are the Not Individuated before we are the not Not. (the Is). Hehe

Im not talking about mould the kind of fungus just to be clear.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by andrew g

Quite simply, humans believe that they exist. Thats what it is to be self-aware.

you're a genius.

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[andrew g]

Originally Posted by hybrid

you're a genius.

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Haha a genius at stating the blindingly obvious perhaps.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by andrew g

Haha a genius at stating the blindingly obvious perhaps.

i can see that you understand the obvious.

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[andrew g]

Originally Posted by hybrid

i can see that you understand the obvious.

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Perhaps because I have trouble understanding the really smart stuff hehe.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


You will find what you are seeking, Andrew.. you need me to be what you believe about me.. and, i really don't care anymore, you avoid sincere discussions, and whine way too much.. "attack, attack".. rather than 'react', do what you accuse me of not doing, look at what the "attack" is pointing to, if you can..

Be well..

Your attack is telling me to look at my self-image, which I am doing. Ironically, in suggesting I do that, you are upholding the argument I am putting forward! You just dont seem to want to look at your own self-image. Its very easy. Look at what you take exception to in people and there you will see how you like to see yourself and think of yourself.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by andrew g

Your attack is telling me to look at my self-image, which I am doing. Ironically, in suggesting I do that, you are upholding the argument I am putting forward! You just dont seem to want to look at your own self-image. Its very easy. Look at what you take exception to in people and there you will see how you like to see yourself and think of yourself.

what is someone is not bothered by what he projects the way you do?

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[Gem]

Originally Posted by andrew g

You have it backwards. Duality/Creation exists prior to thought. Rocks would still be here if thinking humans were not.

Individual consciousness is prior to thought. Self is prior to thought, or perhaps to avoid more confusion...the No-Self is prior to thought. Spirit is prior to the human. Humans are Divinity/Source Individuated and the Individuation part is the mould out of which the human is given form and materialized.

Or to put in your style of wording, we are the Not Individuated before we are the not Not. (the Is). Hehe

Im not talking about mould the kind of fungus just to be clear.

Space and the universe are what occurs to mind (seen) and so do ideas about it, but without thought there is no creation, and what occurs to mind is not the thought itself.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Gem

Space and the universe are what occurs to mind (seen) and so do ideas about it, but without thought there is no creation, and what occurs to mind is not the thought itself.

There is Creation without thought. Rocks dont think. Space doesnt think. Neither does Creation vanish when you are in deep sleep. You wake up in the morning and there is stuff to respond to on the forum.

Thought is the attribution of meaning TO Creation. Thats all.