Jesus taught--only the Father is the true God

[Morpheus]

I agree that in the end, "In Him we live and move and have our being", as St. Paul wrote, and everything is part of Him. Including us.

If one researches also, and continues to study, one sees that humanity has origins in the angelic, and that we are among the fallen angelic cited in Revelation, who Jesus came to restore and redeem.
The greater reality and Truth involves the timeless, and eternity. Which makes this "world", what?

KJW, you can keep pushing the JW's perspective, but if Jesus were not perfect Himself, His substitutional atonement would have no power and authority.
Only God is perfect, sister. His atonement for sins has authority and saving power. Not to mention what He Himself stated.
Not to mention what it says in Isaiah about Him. The Trinity is valid.

You ought to see the error of Watchtower teaching. Lose the New World translation also which has no scholarly origin.

Tristan, you need to wisen up, and accept the wonderful gift of God. He went to the cross for you, as long prophesied. Evidencing God's love.

[Tristran]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Tristan, you need to wisen up, and accept the wonderful gift of God. He went to the cross for you, as long prophesied. Evidencing God's love.

Spoken like a true dictaitor with 'my way, or hell'. Pure fear tactics.

Still no christian has answered the simple question.

Why has Yahweh gone against His own precious rules and allowed His enemies to bury billions of honest talents worldwide and done nothing about it ?

If He throws a hissy fit in Matthew 25:18 and does not throw the same hissy fit against the rich elitists now, then it shows exactly who's side He is on.

World events according to the Annunaki (who wrote the Bible) were never expected to get this far without their Matrix Architect (Cronus) resetting this World 6 to another Prison World 7. Exactly as mentioned in the film The Matrix.

[SpiritualMe]

Well Met

Morpheus -

If one researches also, and continues to study, one sees that humanity has origins in the angelic, and that we are among the fallen angelic cited in Revelation, who Jesus came to restore and redeem.

really ? can you show us this research ? Only according to everything this religion has to say about mankind and angels, it soon becomes clear that actually,no,we are not angelic and never were. Angels are created seperate,first,in their own spiritual place, and mankind is created later, again,seperate,distinct and also,in our own seperate place of existance. Angels are not mortal men and never were, and mortal man is not destined to "become angelic". Id like to see your sources that point to the opposite,if they exist ?

The only "origins" mankind shares with angels is the fact that it was angels that actually created us,manufactured our bodies,as the religion says. The god needed their help,this is true,and with their direct aid,mankind is finally bought to life. The god couldnt do it alone it seems,and has to gather these angels to aid him first,orders them to do it. In terms of creation,that is our only link - we are not them - and they are not us - two totally different "spiritual people" like two distinct races or species.

KJW, you can keep pushing the JW's perspective, but if Jesus were not perfect Himself, His substitutional atonement would have no power and authority.

lol...WHO says it has such power in the first place ? ONLY the religion that teaches it..lol..

Only God is perfect, sister. His atonement for sins has authority and saving power

lol - WHICH god ? again,only the religion states this as truth - there are actually many many gods that mankind knows about - even this one in the bible fully admits that - he has "friends",other similar gods exist it says,but it then goes on to forbid mankind from knowing or meeting these others - doesnt it ? So we see then,even the religion admits there is more than one god in its story - so which god is this "perfect god" ?

It cant be the one from genesis. That god cant be perfect,because look,first,it needs to convince its own angels to help it create mankind - it clearly couldnt manage it alone. And as we know,that didnt turn out too well - mankind is highly flawed..lol...

Think about it - a perfect god create humans ? And yet humans are not suited at all to their existance here. we get more disease than any other animal. We have no natural defenses as others animals do. Our skin is weak and literally burns away in the sunlight. Our eyes,cannot even handle the sunlight,it blinds us,and yet we are also blind at night. Our bones and muscles are much weaker than comparable animals. Our teeth rot quicker and easier than any other animal and yet we cannot replace them,grow new ones as other animals do naturally. Women are not designed adequately to birth live young,far too narrow passage results in excruciating pain that again,no other animal seems to share. Death through child birth was once a very real possibliioty for women the world over,especially if they get pregnant too young,before the body is actually ready - and again,another flaw,as this can and does actually happen and is yet more evidence of "imperfection".

The design of the spine and legs needs work too,obviously - just look at the "old age cripples" bent over double and unable to walk.The spine and legs are inadequate to the length of life,and become far too weak in old age. Its a real problem now for us from say age 70 and later - imagine then - this religion told us mankind used to live to be hundreds of years old. For those poor sods then,it would mean a few centuries of living misery as a cripple,relying on others always.

Thats just off the top of my head. No doubt I could think of plenty more flaws and design errors. So the question remains,where is this "perfect god" ? lol - it certainly is not the one found in the religion as we see all too clearly.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Tristran

Spoken like a true dictaitor with 'my way, or hell'. Pure fear tactics.

There's an Ignore feature, very handy and peaceful lol.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by Tristran

Spoken like a true dictaitor with 'my way, or hell'. Pure fear tactics.

Still no christian has answered the simple question.

Just reviewed your comments. You posted:

The evil Annunaki who played with initial human DNA creating their slave race, Adam and Eve
Then the humans realised they were slaves for the Annunaki
Everyone is a impoverished slave now thanks to the evil controllers of this world.
Have you never realised that the Annunaki wrote the Bible ?

You post conspiracy fear doctrine about evil dictators enslaving humankind, and then wonder why you get dictatorial fear-based replies. Spiritual law of the universe: What you put out in the world is what you get back. Question: What are you even doing posting and demanding answers on the Christianity forum? Nothing you write about is remotely related to either mainstream Christian thought or esoteric Christian understanding.

[SpiritualMe]

Well Met

Baile; Tristran does make at least one valid point there though. When he says the Annunaki are the ones "who wrote the bible". In a way,he is very correct. It is an undeniable fact of history,that the ancient Sumerians recorded on clay tablets, a history of their people,right from the start they claim as they understood it. They are quite a fascinating bunch. Very academic,learned. Gave us the "first" of pretty much everything we take for granted. Schools,laws,governments. Agriculture,astonomy,science - especially human anatomy,even detailed description of what can only be dna itslef,and how to achieve its manipulation. given what we currently believe,what we are taught to accept as truth,then these people should not have existed.

And yet,hard evidence still exists that proves our modern ideas as totally false. Huge construction projects. Stone blocks,mined,quarried,cut and shaped - weighng in at hundreds and hundreds of tonnes. we canot match it even today with modern machines. Pyramids that show absolute mathematical and geometric (astro geometric) precision and alignement. And the world over,stories of giants,gods among us and the things they do (they all seek GOLD) - and all that understood and verified by one original Sumerian source.

And these clay tablets do actually contain, identical stories and events, that the bible also contains. The tablets though pre date the bible stoies by thousands of years,as Sumeria is the foundation of all the myths and legends that will arise and form the judaic tradition..

Ancient Sumer,is the start of the bible,and this is legitimate academic truth. The bible tells us specifically that man was created and placed in Eden. it even describes where this is physically,and it turns out to be exactly the same place,ancient Sumer itself. The tablets for their part,ALSO say mankind is created in Eden,so the place itself,the name in the bible,is directly taken from this earlier Sumerian account. It is obvious.

The tablets contain the entire narrative and are thousands of years older. The bible is much later,concentrates on a timeline in the Egyptian era,but as we know,Sumer and its origins are thousands of year before this bible start point. And still,the stories are there,known,written down already. Clearly,the bible is a much later paralell of these earlier Sumerian texts. In fact,we have religious texts of our own that corrolate and agree with the Sumerian tablets.

Such things as the "Book of Enoch" - "Book Of Giants" - "Books of Adam" - perhaps the most well known,but there are others besides. They speak directly of a "lost time" that would come between genesis and fall of man,and Noah flood destroys world. That equates to thousands of years o missing history that is currently ignored buy mainstream. Religious texts exist that describe this time period - but as we know,the religion itself discarded them as "herasy" and refused their truth,hunted them out and destroyed them.

All of that whole bible narrative,comes from this much earlier time. Proof is there though,in the tablets themselves, Pre date all religious texts and yet,contain the same stories and events as those later bible texts will say is truth.

If then,"god spoke" to man at all,then it was to these ancients of Sumer,whom they spoke directly. And as they themselves record,these gods (many) actually walked among us,lived here with us,ruled and ordered our very existance. In fact,I would say,there is more academic and historical proof of the Annunaki themselves,than there is of the bible stories. I mean - S Africa for instance - we find gold mines that are dated to a time that science says,mankind was a nomad hunter gatherer. And yet,buried now in jungle,but fast becoming cleared again in the modern age. we find ruin after ruin of once fabulous gigantic cities. And literally,thousands and thousands of ancient gold mines. Even man made totally spherical tunnels that bore down into the Earth for hundreds of metres,then open up into a complex of mine shafts.UNEXPLAINABLE if we follow our given history and truth then these things simly should not exist !!

But,if we go look a those clay tablets,we find that it is all fully accounted for. They tell us what was happening,and why - and the bible is much later re telling - after much knowledge was lost,in that great flood event itself - and later,much knowledge was lost on purpose,by the religion itself. The bible is not the complete truth of mans creation.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by SpiritualMe

The only "origins" mankind shares with angels is the fact that it was angels that actually created us,manufactured our bodies,as the religion says.

I'll never understand why people think that negating someone's personal belief truths with their own personal belief truths, 1. makes any logical sense; and 2. adds something useful to the conversation. Because it doesn't. The only "facts" (see what I did there?) are that the two of you have two different views on the subject of angels. Surely the point of any dialogue is to explore our various perspectives and learn from each other.

My understanding: Angels did not create us, angels are the hierarchy above the human hierarchy, who experienced their material evolution eons ago, and who now act as guides for their younger human sisters and brothers. The common origins here is that the human hierarchy, the angelic hierarchy, the arch-angel hierarchy and so forth have all shared a similar evolutionary path and are all of the same Spirit source.

[SpiritualMe]

Well met

Baile; When I say - "facts" - there,I mean,facts that all the available sources agree on. All the texts of this particular religion,strongly indicate that Human and Angels are entirely different species. Angels were never human,never "physical" in this world at all - except for a few that took a mortal form after they were expelled.

They have never undergone "material evolution",but were created as Eternal. Mankind was created first eternal,in Eden - then later it says we became fully physical,lost our spiritual nature "after fall". Now,some other religious texts,tell us this means we are now "reincarnating",going round in a loop of death birth death - but the mainstream religion here rejects that idea too. Instead they say we either go join this god,go "live with it" (like a pet ?) or we go instead to eternal punishment by this god,depending on whether we obey or not or whether it likes us or not I suppose.

According to the religion - and also according to the tablets - yes indeed,it was Angels that directly created man. The religion states it,as the god tells them all "come here,let US make a man after that image" - it is a plural,collective effort - let us all gather together to make a "man". The god did not create man by itself. Even though it supposedly created everything else by itself,here it says specifically,it gathered Angels to create mankind. Earlier for instance,Angels are already created,then god is creating animal life here - but it does not say to the angels then,come here,help me create this animal life - ONLY for mankind,is that command given - so obviously,it must be significant. And obviously,for mankind,the god itself needs the angels to help.

In either case,and according to all the sources - angels are angels and mortals are mortals - the distinct difference being that an angel never underwent any progressive cycle to its creation - it was formed once and only once,whole,complete,remains the same form eternally. Mortal man though,according to all the texts,has a lost nature,a spiritual essence,that it must recapture in order to attain those "high angelic realms". We become LIKE them as we progress perhaps,but in truth,we start as two seperate creations and always will be in THIS world and the immediate heaven above it.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by SpiritualMe

Baile; Tristran does make at least one valid point there though. When he says the Annunaki are the ones "who wrote the bible". In a way,he is very correct. It is an undeniable fact of history,that the ancient Sumerians recorded on clay tablets...

So you're suggesting the origins of the actual Bible have something to do with a group of deities from ancient Mesopotamian who, according to Tristan, are linked to present-day evil overlords who have enslaved humanity. I'm going to have to take a bit of time and process that one. I'm open to exploring most ideas, but I have to say I have a hard time with YouTube-style new-age conspiracy "truths."

[Baile]

Originally Posted by SpiritualMe

In either case,and according to all the sources - angels are angels and mortals are mortals - the distinct difference being that an angel never underwent any progressive cycle to its creation

All which sources? There is a wealth of written material out there describing the great wheel and cycle of existence: how material life comes into existence for a time, and then concludes and comes to an end, only to be recreated once again. Eastern philosophy identifies these cycles as Yugas. With each Yuga, a new hierarchy incarnates into the material and experiences their material evolution. Human beings are the current hierarchy of this Yuga cycle. There is much in Christian literature that corresponds with this knowledge (the flood for example), the Bible is this current Yuga's Genesis textbook and encyclopaedia. My understanding from what I've read anyway.