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15-09-2023, 03:38 PM
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Interesting, so Christ was on Noahs Ark ?
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Christ is eternal Spirit, Logos of John1. Spirit that came about as consciousness of humanity. |
15-09-2023, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by entenmanns
He did say he was around before Abraham and it is the theory of a few that the resurrections is about reincarnation. i dont know too much about history but i have heard some rabbis speak about reincarnation the same way you would hear storys of exorcism in the catholic church
even professor J.LENNOX speaks of how certain things are written into our DNA including morals and also the yearning for something more after we die! naturally his opinion.
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* A perfect example of saying something NOT as fact...which happens too much on this particular thread...
as we are seeing!
Thank you, entenmanns.
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15-09-2023, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BigJohn
Jesus could have 'seen' what was going on with the Ark, etc. without being aboard the Ark. But then, the ones on the Ark where in the physical. It doesn't say how many Spirits were aboard the Ark.
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That's not what the OT claims (and it's wild speculation).
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16-09-2023, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gem
The Jews knew the story of Noah (and that of Lot) and Jesus made a reference to the story(s) as a simile for when the 'Son of Man' comes.
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Actually Jesus compared these( Luke 17:26) last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) he said as in the days of Noah, they took no note. Few can see these last days are almost done. Things will occur quickly-99% minimum are being mislead. |
16-09-2023, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gem
That's not what the OT claims (and it's wild speculation).
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Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation. He existed before all other creation. So he saw the days of Noah occur from heaven. |
16-09-2023, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by keiw1
Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of all creation. He existed before all other creation. So he saw the days of Noah occur from heaven.
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That's not what the OT said, and cannot be inferred from Luke.
As you say, this is what can be inferred from Luke: "Actually Jesus compared these( Luke 17:26) last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) he said as in the days of Noah"
In Luke He referenced the days of the 'son of man', but no one really knows what that means exactly. Some make a connect to Revelations, the coming of the Beast, return of The Messiah, end times, Last days, Judgment Day or what have you, but the reason this is a matter of faith is precisely because it's a real stretch of reason.
Since there is no reason to assume the meaning of 'son of man' we are forced to speculate about what that is, but since it regards impending doom such at the flood of fire raining down on Sodom, we know it ain't good, but the narrative about this in James concludes in the lesson to give yourself to death so that you may live.
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16-09-2023, 03:31 AM
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Where did the idea of Old Testament and New Testament come from? From what I see, one is a continuation of the other. In what we call the New Testament, a whole lot of information was made clearer Apparently one piece of information was the revelation that Jesus was the first of creation and it was Jesus who actually created everything else. As a Spirit, I would say Jesus would have witnessed the events surrounding the flood.
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16-09-2023, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by keiw1
Few can see these last days are almost done. Things will occur quickly-99% minimum are being mislead.
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In your opinion only..... and in my opinion only mybe those who have the above beliefs are being ' mislead '..... |
16-09-2023, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by keiw1
So he saw the days of Noah occur from heaven.
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It doesn’t actually mention this in the OT from what I've read, can you point me to the Verse/Verses please.... |
13-10-2023, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gem
Since there is no reason to assume the meaning of 'son of man' we are forced to speculate about what that is
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'son of man' (like a lot of stuff) I take it at face value. For me, as a son relates to a father, the 'son of man' would relate to mankind...
isn't that exactly what the words said, after all? Why the need for speculation when something has been said that any child could understand if the adults weren't busy saying 'no you aren't allowed'?
Same as between the 'son of god' and 'god'.
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also I think the ot did have a passage about all things being made for jesus and through jesus... which implies he preexisted before of all things. |
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