A bit on conceptualizing the intangible and explaining the unseen to sceptics and oth

[hazada guess]

Let's all not get too excited about this.

[TattieHowker]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

Let's all not get too excited about this.

Excited over the external stimuli, you mean?

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by TattieHowker

You get excited because of external stimuli/events...

So if excitement is an emotion it's still in response to an external event, whether real or projected.

That seems quite limiting...unless you had more to say.
1. I believe just a thought can give you a feeling or emotion of anything: fear to excitement - to joy. No event, past or future.
2. I believe internal stillness, (not an external event), brings feelings of excitement to joy. (Sorry I don't use 'emotions' much).

I must say ...I also did not get why you, Tattie, said, 'to your way of thinking''. BUT, the back and forth is getting old.

(Oh, I see power, contentment, love as feelings. I don't have an emotion of power, love or contentment.
I do have a feeling AND emotion of frustration or anger or excitement.
Did I muddle things up more!!?)
That's just me...I don't really care how anyone sees them. These aren't things I think about.

Am I my feelings? No. They are inside me, a small part of me, things I experience...and fleeting.
I am not fleeting with ups and downs.
Again, my 2 cents. :)

[sky]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

Let's all not get too excited about this.

Oh I enjoy a bit of excitement, it can be fun

[sky]

Originally Posted by TattieHowker
" You get excited because of external stimuli/events..."

And sometimes because of 'Internal' stimuli/events
Then there are some who become excited for no reason, neither internal nor external... One size doesn't fit all.

[TattieHowker]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

1. I believe just a thought can give you a feeling or emotion of anything: fear to excitement - to joy. No event, past or future.
2. I believe internal stillness, (not an external event), brings feelings of excitement to joy. (Sorry I don't use 'emotions' much).

I could go on a long time but when I said it, brevity was in order. But does the thought itself give you feelings, or does the thought come from a memory of a person or object/stimulus that gave you the feelings?

Yes, the back and forth is getting old, and thank goodness for the point of diminishing returns.

I think of feelings and emotions because they're a large part of me. I welcome them like old friends sometimes. Anger not so much because these are different circumstances then when I could easily have... But that is a discussion for another day. Anger and frustration are energies, and I have no expectations and therefore no disappointments. Doris Day got it right - que sera, sera.

And yes, it was relative to "your way of thinking" but I didn't say I agreed with it. You see, we are not conscious of what we are not conscious of, and what we are conscious of has been heavily 'filtered' according to our own priorities. That becomes the basis of our respective realities - "The objective reality is that all reality is subjective." "What is not Brahman is also Brahman."

[TattieHowker]

Originally Posted by sky

And sometimes because of 'Internal' stimuli/events
Then there are some who become excited for no reason, neither internal nor external... One size doesn't fit all.

I was just being brief when I said that but if you're going to expand on that.... What is the source of those internal stimuli/events/feelings? You can feel love but often Love is in relation to an object or a person, which are external stimuli. You can get angry because someone ticks you off or you get a letter from the nice tax man. You can see beauty and it makes you cry. Internally you can carry the memory of that beauty and it'll make you cray again, but the source still goes back to that external stimuli.

Humans, even given all of their diversity, are 'driven' by a small number of patterns that repeat over and over again. If you look carefully in these forums you'll see those patterns emerge, time and again. Spirituality itself is a pattern. Every human is asking three small questions, regardless of their context.

[pixiedust]

Originally Posted by Redchic12

Re Iamthat post #38

He stated…………”.interesting but maybe not relevant to this discussion.”

Dearest Redchic12

I stand corrected. Thank you for your gracious response.

I meant, in my weird Confucious moment, whom we ask matters in that if I want to learn to fish, I like to ask those who have fish already in basket.

Blessings,
pixiedust

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by TattieHowker

... But does the thought itself give you feelings, or does the thought come from a memory
of a person or object/stimulus that gave you the feelings?

No, 100% does not have to at all.
A thought such as...I don't have a care in this world...all is perfect.
* Ahhh... ...* is the feeling I then have.

[Redchic12]

Oh Miss H thank you soooooo much for your wonderful comments.

You state:

No, 100% does not have to at all.
A thought such as...I don't have a care in this world...all is perfect.
* Ahhh... ...* is the feeling I then have.

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to convey and you have summed it up in three sentences. Brilliant! Thank you.