Zen video

Nevermind, really bad image quality.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Elijah

I actually thought about this quite a while back & made a re-design of SF in-keeping with the style and layout already used.
It's a great site, but I also think it could use a little freshen up.

Cool. I agree, its a great site but a freshen up wouldnt go amiss. I wonder if there are any mods reading this thread....are you there mods?

[Gem]

Originally Posted by din

did i say he lost his mind?

You said lost in his mind.

I quoted what you said already and you think what you said you think it was reasonable, but I don't, because it isn't. Ever speak like that to me and I'll report it to admin.

Being lost in the mind is being identified with thought. With this in mind, we are all lost in the mind. The more Conscious, the less identifying with thought. And the Master has no identification, there is no self.

Note- there was no identification with this thought.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Being lost in the mind is being identified with thought. With this in mind, we are all lost in the mind. The more Conscious, the less identifying with thought. And the Master has no identification, there is no self.

Note- there was no identification with this thought.

See, I have a real issue with the word “lost” and consequently, I would never use it, but as much as I agree with the statement “being identified with thought”…….Tzu is far too deep and intriguing for anyone to make statements “about” this aspect of him, IMO.
What/who he is, deserves greater respect than that, IMO.
(My 3 cents)
James

Sound- Here is the video text minus the pretty graphics for those who are unable to download

Thank-you, Sound. That was Very kind of you. This kindness is far more meaningful than the contents of the video. It is action. It is loving. It is beautiful.

Truth pointers and concepts are awesome. But helping someone change a tire,
means more than the telling them, "we are the silent, formless observer". (And good luck)

When one Is the silent, formless observer, then it doesn't matter if they help change a tire or not. (one of the perks )

That said, I TOTALLY agree with what is written here.

It's Spot On.


Quote:
Originally Posted by din re: Video on Zen Biology Lesson
The heart pumps blood all by itself
The lungs breathe all by themselves
The brain associates concepts with other concepts all by itself
The mind is thinking (randomly babbling) completely on its own
Let’s look inside for just a brief minute
How long can you keep the mind completely silent?
If you try to stop thinking it just starts right back up again
Words verbalizations, thoughts, thinking and emotionalism are completely automatic
You can’t stop it by controlling it, but you can eventually stop it by non judgmentally watching it.
The brain works completely by itself
It has nothing to do with you doing it
This means that you are not the doer of deeds nor the thinker of thoughts
The mind body is an ‘it’, not a ‘me’
The brains thoughts and the body’s actions are just the result of cells doing work
We are not the physical body/mind and its senses
We are not the mind and its automatic rambling thoughts
We are the still, conceptless, silent awareness that is aware of them
We are the awareness that is watching the mind/body’s automatic functioning
We are the silent formless observer
We are life/consciousness/awareness that is simply aware of itself as existing
We have mistakenly identified ourselves as being the physical mind/.body
We have mistakenly identified ourselves with form
It was an erroneous belief all along
The real you, the silent aware mind is not confined to a brain or anything else
Its infinitely everything beyond physicality
It is the formless allness of existence
Its no thing, yet infinitely everything
But thinking about that wont help you realize /experience that
You have to stop thoughts altogether to realize that.

Originally Posted by WhiteShaman

See, I have a real issue with the word “lost” and consequently, I would never use it, but as much as I agree with the statement “being identified with thought”…….Tzu is far too deep and intriguing for anyone to make statements “about” this aspect of him, IMO.
What/who he is, deserves greater respect than that, IMO.
(My 3 cents)
James

I don't have an issue with the word, Lost. In fact, it is a perfect word for the state of mankind. (In my view, James, in my view.)

I did not mention Tzu, as my post wasn't about him. I picked up on the lost in his mind, as we are most all lost in our minds- except for you- as I know I can't say anything about you or it upsets you. And I don't want to upset you, James.

Your opinions about Tzu are noted.

[andrew g]

Originally Posted by Lisa

Being lost in the mind is being identified with thought. With this in mind, we are all lost in the mind. The more Conscious, the less identifying with thought. And the Master has no identification, there is no self.

Your last 4 words are prompting me to ask a question....

Would you agree that there are individual experiences happening Lisa? That the experience the Master is having is different from the experience that the Master's brother is having (for example)?

If there is an 'identified' experience happening and a 'not-identifed' experience happening, then what is your explanation for these individual experiences? I.e. Where is the individuality fundamentally found?

Im not trying to catch you out here or be tricky Lisa, Im just trying to understand where you are coming from. From 'my' perspective, I would say that the individuality is fundamentally found in the No-Self (or True Self).

Originally Posted by hybrid

Unchanging Awareness

Learn to watch both your experience and your reactions to your experience. This process of observant attention and witnessing will enable you to see that your fundamental and essential sense of identity exists as an unchanging point of Awareness within the heart of all changing conditions and circumstance.

This Awareness is grounded in the present moment and never exists outside of Now. It is always accessible and never exists somewhere other than Here. It is the immediate and undeniable Center of who you imagine yourself to be.

Reside in this Center, and realize that the essence of this Awareness is not separate from That which manifests before, around and within you.

- Metta Zetty

Thanks Hybrid- never heard of Zetty- it's excellent.

andrew g- Your last 4 words are prompting me to ask a question....

Would you agree that there are individual experiences happening Lisa? That the experience the Master is having is different from the experience that the Master's brother is having (for example)?

If there is an 'identified' experience happening and a 'not-identifed' experience happening, then what is your explanation for these individual experiences? I.e. Where is the individuality fundamentally found?

I don't care. It's meaningless. It's mind fodder.

Im not trying to catch you out here or be tricky Lisa,

Of course not. You'd never do that.

Im just trying to understand where you are coming from. From 'my' perspective, I would say that the individuality is fundamentally found in the No-Self (or True Self).

Okay. I accept that this is your perspective. I have no issue about it.

As Hafiz says, "We're all starving to death. Let's Eat!"