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Old 31-07-2023, 01:07 PM
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7-31-23 …

The discovery that Soul Itself plays an incredibly vital role in all of Existence might come as a surprise to many … since so many of us consider that we are all simply reacting to the situations and conditions in our daily life and we have little control or design over it. We *all* have a long way to travel on the path before we begin to slide the puzzle pieces distinctly into place and recognize our responsibility and interaction with our own life … let alone with Existence.

The individual specifics of the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds … with the interest in dreams, healings, affirmations, love relationships, mind, emotion, channeling, death, reincarnation … all of that and much more … is enough to keep any and all individuals busy for a very long time … in terms of hundreds of thousands of lifetimes.

As we begin to accept the workable level of stay in any and all of these … it becomes more and more apparent that it is *we* who guide our lives … it is *we* who draws various situations and conditions to ourselves by putting various actions out into life … the “action” of action and reaction … the “cause” of cause and effect … and the return is what we eventually encounter … many times as a surprise since these implications carry over from lifetime to lifetime. There is a reason we do not vividly remember our past lives. We basically start from scratch each lifetime … carrying our preferences and attitudes before us … and go from there.

This goes on … until we leave the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds.

Thought is the great link … coupled with emotion which gives thought its fire … its vitality … and each thought throws out invisible currents … vibration … energies … that will eventually return to the sender as well as interact wherever they are aimed. The old stone into the pond is a good example. We are broadcasting units … sending and receiving constantly. Even if we are vocally silent … our thoughts carry forth on the inner. We have no choice … by design.

Thought links the inner … the unseen … to the outer … the seen. It is thought … again coupled with emotion … that turns each of us into a thinking, knowing, acting, feeling entity. This is the action of thought … period. Our mental choices, preferences, patterns, and habits of thought … are what make us different one from the other.

All of the manifests into the outer … via the laws of the universal mind … the throne of which lies high in the mental realms and is the basis for many religions and philosophies. Thought stimulates atoms … particles … they begin to vibrate … they attract others that are similar … they grow … and take form … eventually into manifestation. Occasional thought rarely has any real distinction … but over time … even these vagrant thoughts can come back to haunt us.

These atoms or particles are not designed to know what they are doing. They just react … to us. All of us are doing this. It’s been going on since a thinking animal was deposited on each and every dimension below the 5th Plane. These areas could not exist without this design.

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Old 01-08-2023, 12:46 PM
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8-1-23 …

The fact that we are individually intrigued by so many other facets and curiosities keeps us from becoming aware of the intentional design of it all. We must learn of the parts before we can learn of the Whole. During these learning stages we just want to get by … make it from day to day … with as little discomfort or struggle as possible while seeking as much pleasure, love, and entertainment as we can … most of which have to do with what goes on around us … outside of us … registering on the senses. Again … such is the design.

Like attracts like … whether it is done by incredibly intense focus and attention … or … much more slowly over a period of time. With eternity to work with … we have plenty of time.

This focus is considered an act of giving … we are giving to life what we prefer or believe … and life reacts in kind … to keep in balance … returning various actions to the giver. They may not specifically match … but the similarities do bring balance. All is resolved.

So we receive … only as we give … but since so much carries over from lifetime to lifetime … there can be huge discrepancies … and so … bad things happen to good people. Eventually … by way of lifetimes … things moderate. If and when any individual can get to a lifetime where karmic implications sent forth in this current lifetime are resolved in this same current lifetime … they are far along the path. This does not include the obvious actions of running a red light and instantly getting a speeding ticket … and then trying to convince oneself that they are far along the path. You can believe that … and certainly … time will tell.

But carrying the implication of giving and taking … one must give before they can receive / take … and this leads right into personal development … or personal discovery … attainment of abilities and powers … so to speak. We grow … by design. Even if we do not know exactly what it is we are growing into … or the specifics or level of that which we wish to know … one can go inside and pretend … imagine … over and over again … and this sets up growth by the above attractive design. It might be slow … but it will never start unless YoU begin the process.

If one gives any credence to the above … this design of existence … then the practice of trying to stop the mind becomes totally insignificant. It get you nowhere … except for a vacation from the chattering mind. For that … we all have sought refuge there … at one time or another. We cannot be held to blame for trying. We only bring surprising effects back to ourselves … to which me might not like at all. If one spends 50 lifetimes at getting “expert” at stopping the mind … and then finds oneself back here again for another physical incarnation … eventually … one begins to suspect there must be something else that regulates reincarnation. Practicing disciplinary control over the mind moves one towards that goal … much more than stopping the mind.

Most every move at this point is controversial. The established traditions wish to remain predominant. No one ever said that the path was easy.

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Old 02-08-2023, 12:54 PM
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8-2-23 …

Least you might think this is all confusing and beyond you … understand that you have been doing this all along … every incarnation … everyone. This is nothing but the Lower Worlds of Assumption on steroids … and I’m not sure it is even that “advanced.” What might make it difficult is discovering that this is the conscious or unconscious method that all is brought into Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds manifestation … and now that this is discovered … it might seem difficult because mind still … and will always … be combative on challenging its preferences,. habits, and patterns.

It might get old hearing this … but when you begin to break any moderately-held habit or pattern … you can immediately see the resistance. It’s tough. These methods apply to all levels of consciousness … body … mind … emotions … Soul Itself being the unknowing driver.

Soul Itself is *not* manifested. Soul Itself was specifically created in the Pure God Worlds … and after each creation … Soul Itself begins to manifest … continuing the body form that was used by those that apply such states … immediately beginning to form habits and patterns that satisfy the needs of food, water, shelter … even as an infant … it begins then … and will continue to develop, change, grow, wander through the various incarnations on and into different alien life forms … incarnations on the various dimensions … which must be earned … the Astral plane being the one that all interact with during the dream state and so Soul Itself returns to the Astral upon physical death … and earning incarnations and advancements into the Causal or on up into the Mental planes of existence … although mental thought is used throughout … as a form of individual thought and as a form of communication … although telepathy is more preferred in the upper worlds.

Again … we’ve been doing all of this forever. My posts are an attempt to put a more complete picture into your grasp. The minute you say … “I want this … “ or “I hate that … “ … with strong feeling … you begin the process … and all the variations you can possibly conjure up for yourself. These basic methods … if you will … is what manifests form … and thought is clearly a sound form … again … fed by the emotions giving it vitality or life … if you will … sometimes in extremely strong emotional turmoil or reaction to a condition or situation it can manifest into a pattern instantly … which you will cary from then on until you do the work involved to balance or lessen it … but more often than not the pattern requires a subtle continued focused attention … thinking about something with regularity or intense interest … and in no time … your pattern is formed.

Again … this is basic Law of Attraction stuff … like attracts like … but most of us have given little to no concern about what our own thoughts do to design our own lifestyle … and lifetimes.

WE … manifest it all … and agreeably … many times we are doing this in reaction to what is being directed towards us from mates, coworkers, friends, family, etc. This is why I have lately said … it’s not what happens TO you … it’s how you react to it … that matters. An emotional reaction builds the old patterns. We have no choice.

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Old 03-08-2023, 12:52 PM
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8-3-23 …

All of this helps one understand the power of NoW … because you cannot change the past … although there are ways to balance it out a touch … and the future has yet to come upon us … and so … NoW is the only real chance we have to make a difference in our habits and patterns.

Until you begin to understand and design your own initial causes … you put forth the focus and attention on a new approach or way to react to your own lifetime … you are most likely living your own effects … or reactions and continued uses of old patterns and habits.

It makes no difference if you are going to try to begin a new habit within your lifestyle that hundreds or thousands of others have already been living from … it is the fact that it is new to YoU that makes it a new cause … and if beneficial … hopefully will form into a new habit that is more useful to you.

None of this is new. It has been offered in various levels … under various names … for eons. What makes it “new” is the realization by each individual when it begins to make sense … and each individual begins to apply the techniques … or the approach. This is not … mine. This does apply to all.

Since so much of this has solely to do with going inside … taking the time to envision your new pattern or habit or approach … see it play out in *your* reaction only and not in making others cater to you preferences … which is power over and clearly *not* good for the Whole … but it all lies in how you react to life … your life.

Since one does go inside to do inner work … this is the first major step in entering the Kingdom of God … for this Kingdom is a state of consciousness and not necessarily a designed “heaven” for those loyal followers to enjoy. This might be intensely controversial to some … and if so … dismiss it.

All … are not ready for this. The masses have too much fun with the specific amusement park rides and thrills of the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds to want to get involved with this. It’s all a part of the progressive educational system of Soul Itself … one at a time … eve developing and understanding more and more of the Whole as the puzzle pieces are slid into place.

This information is for YoU … for you to take advantage of … when and if you give it acceptance. It is incredibly distressing to become eager to begin all of this only to meet such resistance from your own mind. Most all of us have tried to “break old habits” … involving whatever patterns we have tried to let go of … and have found … it is NoT easy. ow one begins just how much their own mental, physical, and emotional habits have run their lives … how much each individual is in bondage to them … and the more we understand this … the more mind will fight back.

Start slow … start gently … try to make it playful … help mind become interested in there you wish it to go rather than in what you want it to give up. Out-trick your own mind. If you conjure up intense feelings of intrigue or happiness at building a “new you” … you can feed those emotions into the new pattern as you lay in quietude … envisioning your new design.

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Old 04-08-2023, 12:45 PM
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8-4-23 …

Perhaps a bit of review on the *very* general aspects of the dimensions … mostly of the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds and just a bit on the 5th Plane and above.

Soul … of Itself … is truly a spiritual being … created in the Pure God Worlds … beyond all form … and then is immediately tossed into the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds Schoolroom for education and learning.

Soul Itself has absolutely NO clue as to It’s mechanics … or It’s structure … if one can discuss the “structure” of Soul Itself. Soul absolutely loves imagery … visual imagery … loves to look at pictures … if you will … and immediately identifies with what It sees. Tossed into the physical realms … and into a physical body … It’s going to open it’s physical eyes and immediately identify with the conditions. That does not make Soul Itself any less spiritual … only encased in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds bodies.

We release the physical body and travel to the astral plane nightly … this is whee our dreams take place … or the vast majority of our dreams. The Astral Plane is without the heaviness of the physical body and life there is incredibly different … or can be … once one learns to live within the “laws” of the Astral Plane.

The Causal … the mental realms … and the subconscious planes are all somewhat tied together because they have to do with memory ( Causal ) … thought ( mental ) and the subconscious or symbology of life here ( Etheric Plane ). In all these planes one immediately takes on a body … so use to having one that it is done automatically … and there is form in all of these areas. There are buildings, landscapes, temples, oceans … you name it … it’s there.

The 5th Plane or Dimension … is either the last plane to have *any* form at all … if one is considering all of this from the bottom up … from the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds on up … or … the 5th Plane is the first to have any real form at all … if considering this from the Pure God Worlds on down … so to speak. It has more to do with the rate of vibration … the speed of existence at the various levels … rather than “higher verses lower.”

Those in the 5th Plane and above can manifest form if necessary … but rarely do. It is pure, un-manifested, non-specific, formless … consciousness that predominates here. “Form” … if you wish to call it that … is much like the “camera eye” post by Maisy referred to earlier. The only way into the 5th Plane … is to earn ones way into the privilege … and one will return to the physical body until the current lifetime is finished. Beyond that … there are options.

So yes … Soul Itself is always a “spirit” … if you will … but totally ignorant of this … and is encased within the psychic bodies … and is not free from those until one gets to the 5th Plane … no matter what one claims.

Lastly … an important point … we often conclude that if it’s not “physical” … it’s “spiritual “ … but that is *not* true. Many try to hold to this two-level distinction. Beyond the physical is the psychic … the metaphysical … if you have another term for it … use it … but Soul Itself is still encased within the pertinent psychic bodies of emotions … and if above the emotions … the mind. One does not interact with the truly “spiritual” until one enters the 5th Plane.

I did not make up these “rules” or assessments. They are what all must encounter and contend with.

One thing that might be of interest to some … all the dimensions are surrounding us all the time. The Astral Plane is “right next to us” but cannot be seen because of the limitations of the physical senses. The same with the other dimensions. We have no “distance” to travel to them … we have only to become aware of them and how to consciously step into them … and learn.

Have a great weekend.

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Old 07-08-2023, 12:53 PM
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8-7-23 …

One thing that may or may not be clear … with the discussion of consciousness and how to interact with it. I so often suggest inner work as the prime method of working with your own state of consciousness … and this is true … but the reason for this entire approach being a lifelong lifestyle … is that you must continue to be ever watchful during all waking hours … and with advancement … even carry this into the dream states.

If I may explain … to go inside and do “inner work” is like using a magnifying glass to focus specifically and keenly upon your object … like focusing the suns rays on an object on the ground … you can lengthen the focus and broaden the effect … or bring it into a pinpoint … with much different results. This still holds true.

During your daily activities however … one cannot neglect what you are trying to design into your life. As a general example … you cannot inwardly work on your health … and even envision your ideal firmly and steadily while within … and then move back into your daily activities and even quietly tell yourself … “I feel awful … “ or “I just don’t feel right … “ or “I always get these crazy headaches … “ etc.

If you keep up the inner work … you will most probably prevail … but you greatly extend the time to bring it about if you continue to negate it with daily activity phrases. This is why … all of this leads to an actual lifestyle of perspective.

I will again remind you that what you tell yourself within is often *not* confirmed on the outer at first. You are re-designing your perspective … you are breaking old habits and patterns … and outwardly … these still prevail. People often claim that “you are simply lying to yourself.” Well … yes … you are. You are looking to set in place perspectives you do not as yet believe in or practice in your daily activities. You will do this pointedly … with discipline … with focus and effort … or … you will do this over a period of lifetimes … yes … lifetimes … as habits break down and are revised … slowly … and most often … reluctantly.

One is trying to replace the old with the new. Period. This is the control we have over designing our own perspective. We can stubbornly hold to the old for as long as we wish … with no “punishment” from Life … other than what you must balance out via cause and effect.

Another thing that can cause strain … is finally coming to terms with an understanding that you wish to give more strength to … and then getting into a conversation with someone and begin to promote the old perspective. Try to remember the old adage … a double-minded man is unstable in all ways. It more often than not turns out to be quite true … and valid.

All of this leads to a conclusion that one becomes quite protective … and almost secretive … about their stance … as the revise and re-design. When an alcoholic gives up the bottle and goes to profess this to his old friends … they will pressure that individual to “come back into the fold.” This is just a very general example. One often must give up a lot … to take on the new … especially if and when one begins to walk beyond the convention … or beyond the old patterns and habits.

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Old 08-08-2023, 01:10 PM
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8-8-23 …

All of this should help shed some light on the value of “stopping the individual” as promoted by so many conventional philosophies and religions. Grunted … yes … it provides some relief from the chattering mind … but it does nothing to resolve issues. It does provide way to pretend one does not have issues … or beliefs … or perspectives.

Try to remember that everything in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds is an effect … started by some entity or group of entities … somewhere … at some time. Everything has to be brought into focus … into “manifestation” … somehow … most probably eons ago … and now all just adds to or builds on the prevailing perspectives.

Tuning into the various popular thought streams is just like tuning into your favorite radio stone … or television channel. Hundreds of thousands of individuals just here on this planet pour supportive energy into these “thought stations.” This is why individuals will often have a thought that is “not my own” … in the sense that said individual never actually consciously thought the idea or concept but it floats through their consciousness anyway … because it is part of a much bigger thought cloud … if you will … and when one begins to focus on one to these “thought clouds” and finds themselves just swarmed with odd thoughts … some of them quite astonishing and negative … they are just part of the thought swarm that is always building because of the addition of the thoughts of others … all held together by similar vibration … like attracts like.

All … contend with this … every day … every night. Thought swarms do not “go to sleep.” neither does Soul Itself.

A true spiritual student is ever watchful of their own thoughts … their attitude … finding ways to not only stay *out* of various “areas” but to stay *into* … others. Good thoughts … beneficial thoughts … do not just come floating by. You have to “tune into them.” This is *not* promoted … but you can sense how it works … and just how prevalent it is.

There is a distinct difference between mind … and thought. Mind … tends to set about gathering preferences. Mind … is the tuning equipment. Mind … is the preference for various “stations.” YoU have focused on them … fed them … accepted them … live from them.

Thought … *can be* … very unstructured. Single thoughts are simply that. Feed them … they grow … even if you are making your own “thought swarm” or joining one that you have had little interaction with.

Mental preferences … ego … are the protected stances of each individual. Many just believe that they “just feel or believe this way or that.” That doesn’t happen … unless you tune in the station … even slightly in the beginning.

A true spiritual student will always be open to learning. This is *not* the typical stance. The vast majority want to protect and defend their stance … to see how it holds up against others … pushing away enlarging possibilities … wanting very little to do with anything that broadens or works beyond their stance. You can see such protective sentences and phrases anywhere … even on this board … which is to be expected.

This does *not* mean you are to accept … anything and everything. Discernment is an art. You can tell what will broaden … and what will change … what will enhance … and what will detract. Do it quietly … on your own … take the curiosities into your inner workshop … and explore them there. Test them. See where they will lead … or enhance.

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Try to remember that everything in the Lower Psychic / Metaphysical Worlds is an effect …
Still, remember free-will. We create and we determine effect beforehand. How can it be anything not expected. Really enjoying your posts!!!
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lemex …

VERY few people have much free will at all.The human experience is so immersed in habit and pattern that few know what real free will is. Many believe … as an example … that if said person is a smoker … free will is if that person chooses when to have a cigarette. People’s habits are *so* much a part of them that they consider these patterns and habitual attitudes to be their very core.

Very few people ever set out to predetermine their actions. Most … are extensions of habit. The resultant effects are often determined by other “entities” that will devise experiences to bring balance into one’s life. Even running a red traffic light … sometimes you get a ticket … most other times you don’t … but it will catch up with you eventually … one way or another … more often than not it will have nothing to do with traffic lights.

But yes … since all actions carry reaction in some sort or another … you can expect effects in your life. Just exactly how each will play out is most often a waste of time and effort to declare “this action will play out *this* way.”

LIFE loves curve balls. As the old saying goes … God extracts payment without coin.

All of this is by design. We all have habits we have no idea the initial / first time experience that sets the pattern into motion … but … we can certainly see how huge some of these patterns can grow in our lives … and how hard they are to set aside.

These last few weeks I have tried to give information about how to design a new cause … how to set aside a habit … small or large … and decide where YoU wish to go with it all. It is a path all will follow … eventually. How to begin to design your own reactions to what happens to you … since it is how you respond to experiences that counts … and not so much the specifics of what happens to you.

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Old 09-08-2023, 01:06 PM
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8-9-23 …

Inching beyond the conventional has never been met with favor … it has rarely if ever been promoted. In all facets of life … it is the rich, the powerful, the conventional … that rune the world(s) around us. Individuals and whole groups have been persecuted into oblivion because they are thinking / talking beyond the norm. In today’s world … this had not changed … and is in fact … getting worse.

Group thought … conventional thought … is conventional control. Call it anything yo wish … the controlling factors behind it remain. For many … this is just fine. To be part of the crowd is popular … there is safety in numbers. But overall … the world wants no part of those who can think for themselves … especially if they try to promote it to others. If you see, hear, think, and feel with spiritually broadened perceptions … you are putting yourself at risk if you openly promote this.

Yes … there are *always* … exceptions … or at least those promoted to be exceptions.

Such is the risk … and the lifestyle … of the true spiritual student … and why there are so few real, ardent learners that you will ever hear about.

So … the airways … the media … the prevailing promotions … always nudge their push into fear, lack, fault-finding, ego, power, control over, misunderstanding, ignorance, materialism … these … and more … are the stall tactics of the ages … varying only in the words used to promote them. Keep the masses focused here … they are then easier to control.

In a sense … you can see that … on the one hand … it is *very* important to stay focused in the more broad and foundational spiritual stances. On the other hand … it can lead to your building a spiritual fortress through over-protection / defense. Again … discernment is always being developed within the individual. Since trial-and-error is the name of the game … even at the rather softly levels … the game turns towards adventurous experimentation … quietly testing new considerations … seeing if they broaden or restrict.

If you waved a magic wand over your head and gave yourself the instant adventure of re-establishing a new, fresh set of preferences and beliefs … would you choose the same stance(s)?

There is a big difference between protecting ones beliefs because it “feels” right or “seems” right … and realizing that the preferences you hold are fundamental and foundational to the more specific and promoted beliefs around you. If you hold foundational beliefs … you can “see” how all else are tangents … offshoots … divergences from the main path … so to speak.

If you’ve begun to uncover foundations … the large “cornerstones” of the more tangent beliefs … the more popular, conventional theories and opinions … then you quietly live them … realizing that you will find few alongside.

The far steps of the path are indeed … lonely. How else will one learn patience … tolerance … strength … devotion … service … dedication … or any other attitudinal perspective … and continue to walk through their daily activities while the world points its accusatory finger at you? Being part of a conventional tradition brings greater comfort in knowing you have companionship or fellowship alongside.

When it comes time to begin to step beyond that … and testing the preliminary steps to discern if you wish to make such an adventurous journey … it can be most certainly … intimidating.

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