Where are the men?

[YS.]

Originally Posted by Lucyan28

"It's raining men, Aleluya!"

I had to sing it !

Well, this rain is very refreshing!

[YS.]

Well, I guess I'd say that labels are neutral. But confusing a thing for its label or overemphasizing a label (versus the thing) are not good whether we're talking about TFs or anything. Those actions open the door for programming rather than authenticity and I would consider them to be fundamental spiritual problems.

^^^ I agree

[Ghost_Rider_1970]

I love this thread :)

I too am male, and I feel so blessed that I'm very in touch with my emotional self and my female energy.

I am so happy that I am very expressive toward my beloved Twin Flame, and that we understand the meaning of pure unconditional love and our beautiful connection on every level. I love letting her know how I feel about her and how precious and beautiful she is.

Some of my male friends do wonder why I can be this way, as they don't see love the way I do. They often see love at a superficial level and what they can get from women or their relationship rather than sharing and being perfect equals in every way.

From my viewpoint I think the men who insensitively objectify women are therefore missing out so completely on the beauty and sacredness of true love.

I always want to be so caring and loving and understanding of my Twin Flame, and I wouldn't want to be any other way :)

[Lucyan28]

Originally Posted by Ghost_Rider_1970

From my viewpoint I think the men who insensitively objectify women are therefore missing out so completely on the beauty and sacredness of true love.

Hi Ghost, this is an incredible phrase, but please allow me to restate it:

"the person who insensitively objectify men or women are therefore missing out so completely on the beauty and sacredness of true love."

[Ghost_Rider_1970]

Originally Posted by Lucyan28

Hi Ghost, this is an incredible phrase, but please allow me to restate it:

"the person who insensitively objectify men or women are therefore missing out so completely on the beauty and sacredness of true love."

Thank you so much and, oh yes!!!, you are so right.

[durgaa]

Yes, behind my Label or Handle l'm also male. l just like the Goddess Durga, that's all.
Over the years l've seen many men on this type of forum. Woman are more inclined to talk about things - it's a psychological fact.

Who knows how many invisible men are lurking here anyway.

Hello everyone, I came here upon a member's suggestion saying people in this thread say men who believe in twinflames and soulmates are not around.

Well I'm here. They are around trust me. And I have believed in this theory ever since I knew me and I got closer to it everytime I dated someone. I saw a different flame in each person. I thought "This is it!" everytime. Last one I just had was the most intense of them all. I'm at a point I will stop running after this dream. I could somewhat blend or turn my flame into theirs and made most of them flame runners, as if I came into their life, played my part and were left out once I was done.

So instead of telling my own experience or what happened or my beliefs, I'm up to any questions. I will check here regularly and besides myself I have rarely seen a man looking up to this theory with such passion. But I leave the choice to you either ask me questions about what I think or believe on this theory or what I went through. Since I have no direct or indirect relations to this forum, what I say here would never get to those people involved with me so I have no problems sharing what I experienced also.

[Swfoxtrot]

*raises hand* I'm a guy. 33 and a sag

[Cinderella Man]

Cinderella " Man".....after almost 7 years of going through the extacy, the pain and grive, suicidal thoughts, push & pull and all other sensations i now feel strong not to obsess about it anymore. I´ve learned some lessons and feel stronger than ever. If i ever meet up with my twin again..and that we could both undertand it and talk about it....that would be more than a miracle i think.

C.M

[7luminaries]

To all the gents here, regardless of your different experiences, it's really nice to hear from you and I hope that you feel you can always speak freely about your feelings and your inner life. I think we would all (society) like to hear more on that, not less

For me, it's the inner journey and the lessons learned from different perspectives that are so interesting. And so I was very much struck by these observations from another gent earlier on this thread:

My observations:
Most men are not Soul Aware or Self Aware.
As far as developing awareness on different levels, most men are not emotionally self-aware, but rather intellectually self-aware and work on the level of Logic and Reason rather than emotion.
I compare these levels of self-awareness to the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, where I use the terminology that their Hod spheres are more developed than their Netzach spheres.

Ideally we need to bring the areas of Emotion (Netzach) and Hod (Logic and Reason) into balance.

Most men are not spiritually aware and do not ascribe to the idea of spiritualising relationships to the level of Soulmates and Twin flames.

...and then he adds that

Men on this forum are not Most Men.

which is also true. Because you are here, and because you are engaged on your journeys, I wanted to get your reactions.

Lev underscored the link between emotional awareness and spiritual awareness. Just as those who are intellectually weak or undeveloped may be more easily misled or confused by those who are intellectually aware (but unscrupulous)...so too those who are emotionally unaware or undeveloped may be more easily misled or manipulated by others who are more emotionally savvy (but who also may be unscrupulous).

Moreover, the link between the deeper core emotions of our soul or our consciousness (joy, love, compassion) and spiritual awareness is undeniable. Rational revision is important, and helps many toward balance and equanimity. But so too does authentic love, which seeks the good of the other equally to oneself. In fact, authentic love is arguably the only must-have for true centreing, balance, and equanimity. And it is not really possible to come to authentic love without emotional awareness. Authentic love being the core foundation of centre, balance, and equanimity...of spiritual awareness.

As men, may I ask you?
-What do you have to say about Lev's comments abt most men? Aside from SF, but regarding most men in our societies today, especially in the West.
-Why is it most men fear or resist emotional growth, being the key foundation to spiritual growth and being key to their capacity for authentic love? Lev says men are logic-heavy...but why can most not just add to that and shift to an integrated, heart-led centre? Again, we come back to why the fear and resistance? in your opinions, as men? Just as separation and death are illusions, so too are control and independence.

-What is missing OR what is excessive in our individual or collective lives that applies to this situation, in your opinions?

-And...do you think most men start out with the capacity to authentically love and give fully but lose that due to lifestyle/choices/etc? Or do they fail to ever nurture their humanity to its full capacity due to lifestyle/choices/etc?

-Do you think Lev's comments about most men are issues that can and should be discussed at a societal level?
If so, what sort of supports and aids do most men need in order to reclaim and/or regain the full capacity of their humanity, i.e., the ability and the desire to grow and deepen emotionally and spiritually, and love both self and others authentically ? Maybe things like...

-Perhaps social supports or support groups to help avoid the crutch & the addictive crack highs (for the male brain/biochemistry) of casual sex (whether hookups, FWBs, serial monogamy, etc)? Similarly for porn and its addictive crack highs for men?

-Safe places and/or support groups for men to safely discuss spiritual and emotional matters?

-Others?

This is a sincere discussion and these are sincere questions on my part, and all input is valued
I think we are LONG overdue in society to have discussions where men can freely share how they feel and talk about what sorts of supports and aids they prefer or require to maximise their human potential in all ways. (Not just in those ways society has always "expected" of them, i.e. maximising their potential physically or financially). That means encouraging honesty and not censuring their responses (beyond what the forum requires), as well as listening.

Peace & blessings,
7L