My Only Post.

People are offering what they can, and what they have, and are being called disgusting and evil and full of darkness for it.

I fail to see the point.

Watch your energy boundaries guys.

Originally Posted by Enigmatic

Watch your energy boundaries guys.

Thank you for the reminder, good call

Hello fth2012,

So sorry you are hurting so badly. Sending love and light to you now...love and light...love and light...

Bodhi

[Cosmicheart]

Originally Posted by Sarian

I read your last post on page 3, and I'm reading posts backwards, sorry. I tend to do this sometimes if the topic continues to interest me in some ways, when I might not wanted to have taken the time to read all posts. But your post about being dumped and family members dying and how bad life is for you, it begs to differ to this post. You are in a victim mentality mode. Yes, you have had pain and heartache,but just like another posted to you, you are responsible for you and you need to pull yourself out of this personal hell you have placed yourself in. Bad things can come to anyone, and you can chose to wallow in the woe is me and have a dandy pity party, or you can get out of it. Painful as it may feel. It's going to hurt either way, staying in this place or the fight to move out, but there is freedom and joy and life and love when you chose to move out.

btw, I went through a few days of hell myself (again) and I won't give all the details of that, but I woke up this morning, looked in the mirrow, and bleh...but then a shift occurred within me and it was awesome. I feel great, back to myself again, and better...I know the dark will come to visit again, but the visits don't have to be so long or even at all, if I keep getting back up and fighting back and fighting for ME.

IMO, it can be disastrous to give someone advice like this, especially when they are clearly calling out for help. To hear you are in victim mentality, when you are this low, could tip someone over the edge. We don't know how fragile anybody really is (especially whilst only knowing them online). I know you and others were only trying to help but I think it's important to access if a comment is going to be productive or not and if it's your ego reacting (due to battling with the same issues so the frustration is coming from your own inner battle) or it's really coming from the heart.

If we're talking about a 'spiritual' approach, wouldn't it be more helpful to just send him love, in prayer or visualization or something to that effect?

I wonder how everybody else 'pulled themselves out' of this dark place. Was it through people around them kicking them while they were down? (I know that wasn't the intention but that's how it looks, both to him and to me reading it)

This is what annoys me about this whole spiritual movement. At times it seems like 'new age' people are following a bunch of 'spiritual rules' Opposed to being in awareness through the heart.

@fth2012again, I wish for you, hope and love

Originally Posted by Cosmicheart

IMO, it can be disastrous to give someone advice like this, especially when they are clearly calling out for help. To hear you are in victim mentality, when you are this low, could tip someone over the edge. We don't know how fragile anybody really is (especially whist only knowing them online). I know you and others were only trying to help but I think it's important to access if a comment is going to be productive or not and if it's your ego reacting (due to battling with the same issues so the frustration is coming from your own inner battle) or it's really coming from the heart.

If we're talking about a 'spiritual' approach, wouldn't it be more helpful to just send him love, in prayer or visualization or something to that effect?

I wonder how everybody else 'pulled themselves out' of this dark place. Was it through people around them kicking them while they were down? (I know that wasn't the intention but that's how it looks, both to him and to me reading it)

This is what annoys me about this whole spiritual movement. At times it seems like 'new age' people are following a bunch of 'spiritual rules' Opposed to being in awareness through the heart.

@fth2012again, I wish for you, hope and love

Helping people often involves giving advice that they don't necessarily want to hear, and often it's the only way that someone will learn and grow in seeking advice for their situation.

There's no ego in this thread from anybody who has posted trying to assist this person.

Why seek comment and support in a forum environment if you are only prepared to accept the responses that are exactly what you want to hear?

[EricDraven]

I approach a new person here as if I were presented with someone injured or in pain on the street. I feel gentleness and compassion can never be overdone. It takes a lot for anyone to present themselves here, and that should be respected in the utmost polite way, just as a stranger in need who may appear on your doorstep.

For certain people at certain times a firmer approach can be helpful, but it's so important to first determine who and what the individuals issues are. With someone as fth who is so deeply troubled and hurting, in such a total state of dysphoria, they can likely only see and feel the extremeness of the negativity which they are currently in, this is when kid gloves and kindness may be necessary, and will go a long way towards building trust.

As a seeker on my path towards a state of unconditional love for all, and as the unlimited beings we all are, I aspire to reach a state where my love knows NO boundaries, regardless of the individual or scenario. Im not fully there yet, but I aspire.

[Cosmicheart]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic

Helping people often involves giving advice that they don't necessarily want to hear, and often it's the only way that someone will learn and grow in seeking advice for their situation.

There's no ego in this thread from anybody who has posted trying to assist this person.

Why seek comment and support in a forum environment if you are only prepared to accept the responses that are exactly what you want to hear?

Sure, if it was a case of having a bad day or going through a dark patch. Clearly, this is something much deeper and unstable and since this is a spiritual forum, surely we can use our intuitive sense and recognize that a response in this particular thread needs delicacy?

I'm sorry but I have seen a lot of ego in this thread. The heart would look beyond his responses being 'negative' replies and know where they were coming from within him. Not take offense as some people have and I do believe the ego within us would be the one to take offense.

If there is no ego in the responses from people trying to assist and it is all purely about helping, then why are his 'negative' responses being attacked and ridiculed? Even a need to be protected (you said, 'watch your energy boundaries guys') how is this about helping and giving advice through the heart- not at all ego based?

Originally Posted by Cosmicheart

Sure, if it was a case of having a bad day or going through a dark patch. Clearly, this is something much deeper and unstable and since this is a spiritual forum, surely we can use our intuitive sense and recognize that a response in this particular thread needs delicacy?

I'm sorry but I have seen a lot of ego in this thread. The heart would look beyond his responses being 'negative' replies and know where they were coming from within him. Not take offense as some people have and I do believe the ego within us would be the one to take offense.

If there is no ego in the responses from people trying to assist and it is all purely about helping, then why are his 'negative' responses being attacked and ridiculed? Even a need to be protected (you said, 'watch your energy boundaries guys') how is this about helping and giving advice through the heart- not at all ego based?

Who is taking offence?

Do you mean specifically to the name calling that the OP entered into? If that's what mean, you can hardly be surprized by that really.

I certainly haven't taken any offence, and even now don't feel offended at all.

I think it's an interesting discussion.

I stand by my energy boundaries post - I believe the OP, even without realising is seeking to take energy from people here in order to feel better about himself - hence why it doesn't matter what anybody says to him, whether positive or negative, he's not appearing to listen or take on board what is being said. If you don't agree - please take no notice of my post, but I definitely felt it important to point out, as this forum attracts some very open hearted people who need to ensure they protect their own energy for themselves first and foremost, before they start helping others.

I hope the OP is okay - like all of us he deserves to be happy, and as posted earlier, I am sending him love and light.

Cosmicheart - if you would like to continue this discussion with me, perhaps we can move to PM?

[Cosmicheart]

Originally Posted by Enigmatic

Who is taking offence?

Do you mean specifically to the name calling that the OP entered into? If that's what mean, you can hardly be surprized by that really.

I certainly haven't taken any offence, and even now don't feel offended at all.

I think it's an interesting discussion.

I stand by my energy boundaries post - I believe the OP, even without realising is seeking to take energy from people here in order to feel better about himself - hence why it doesn't matter what anybody says to him, whether positive or negative, he's not appearing to listen or take on board what is being said. If you don't agree - please take no notice of my post, but I definitely felt it important to point out, as this forum attracts some very open hearted people who need to ensure they protect their own energy for themselves first and foremost, before they start helping others.

I hope the OP is okay - like all of us he deserves to be happy, and as posted earlier, I am sending him love and light.

Cosmicheart - if you would like to continue this discussion with me, perhaps we can move to PM?

(sorry I can't work out how to quote bits and pieces!)

1. I'm hardly surprised too but my point was (re: you saying there has been no ego in the posts assisting this person) it is the ego getting offended.

2. True or not, I only mentioned it to point out that not all advice being posted was purely intended to assist fth2012 as you had stated.

3. thank you for the offer, I've said what I felt the need to, besides I think this stuff is important to discuss openly. But if you feel the need to, I would welcome it :)