Psychic Vampirism in the astral and how it works. (Warning: A lot to read!)

my experience suggests that each of us is involved actively in energy exchange, this energy vampirism you speak of may not be the same thing, but nonetheless, there will be tmes when our relationships place a drain on us.

Oh yeh, you'd be amazed with how much less energy people produce when they are emotionally stressed out. It took me ages to make the correlation between people feeling drained or whether they were actually being drained during those times.

Originally Posted by Sangress

Ultimately vamps take energy from external sources in order to maintain a semblance of metaphysical and physical health. (The same rules apply to vampiric spirits because incarnate vamps can go out of body too, practically no difference between them without the body.)

But the reasons why their energetic bodies/forms need this energy is more complicated. In my response I was refering specifically to these underlying reasons.

A closed crown, leaking energy system, metaphysical damage or behavioural quirks are only a few of many reasons why some people need to take energy from any external source (energy addiction doesnt count because it is just a want rather than a need and damages those partaking in it over a long period of time.)

Everyone has to take energy from energetic sources, but energy is naturally recycled. You still haven't listed the other reasons which is what I am curious about.

As for the vampiric existence being extreemly complicated....well, each vamp has a varied reason for being the way they are, each energy system is different and each has different reasons for and ways of gaining the energy they need to function.

Some are specialised to take only specfic energies. Some need copious amounts of energy or not at different times. Some frequencies of energy are harmfull or helpfull or completely useless. There are different rates of pulling and metabolising energies. different ways of taking energies depending on the situation, environmental factors, where the energy is from and how skilled the vamp is. Every vamp goes through stages in their lives where their needs may change dramatically from one extreem to the other. The places vamps get their energy from are often in direct correlation to how they obtain their energy and how much energy they need at the time.

Nothing about energetic vampirism is simple or fixed.

I understand preference in energy and the different types. People are the same way when it comes to their interactions with beings and their environment. But Absorbing energy from your environment and surroundings and mutual energetic bonds don't count as vampirism, either...

From the perspective of a host, it is unimportant to understand the individual, their personalities, why they are the way they are. I've tried this with the beings I am interacting with and it didn't help a thing.
It's irrelevant info. You're going to continue to be bogged down and fed off of until you learn that they're just a problem. It's not essential to understand the chemical properties of a poison to know it is not good for you.

I could go on and on and on. There is so much that so many people don't take into account when they see energy vampires because to them it often all looks the same from the outside.

That's because vampirism is all the same. They're stealing your energy!

All I am saying is that I think it's important to take into account that each and every energetic vamp is as different and complicated as any other person (perhaps moreso that lots of people in some cases,) and unfortunately generalisations usually simply don't encompass at least half of the vampiric population.

Thats all I'll say because I don't want to dominate your thread with my own opinions. I hope I've made my points clear enough for you to follow.

I just want to get the main points across about this issue really. Because so many people have spiritual attachment, parasites, who are bullying them and all that nonsense.

These generalizations encompass more than you think. I guarantee if you were to go into the lower astral you'll find a ton of evil beings, dark magicians, demons, parasites, ect...Vampirism is a second nature to just about every one of them. You'll find most of their behavior exactly as I described.

Don't worry about dominating my thread, because these forums are for discussing things, my friend. But if you want to PM me instead, go for it. I know that you feel you have an understanding with these things and don't want them to be portrayed in such a way.

You still haven't listed the other reasons which is what I am curious about.

As I stated here "But the reasons why their energetic bodies/forms need this energy is more complicated. In my response I was refering specifically to these underlying reasons" that was what I meant by other reasons.

But Absorbing energy from your environment and surroundings and mutual energetic bonds don't count as vampirism, either...

So then what does count as energy vampirism to you?

From the perspective of a host, it is unimportant to understand the individual, their personalities, why they are the way they are. I've tried this with the beings I am interacting with and it didn't help a thing.

It actually may help if you know how to use the information in a practical way (speaking as a host rather than a vamp here) and if you know how to approach the beings without provoking them.

It's irrelevant info. You're going to continue to be bogged down and fed off of until you learn that they're just a problem. It's not essential to understand the chemical properties of a poison to know it is not good for you.

True, although I do wonder why they would be attempting to latch onto you if you weren't vulnerable in the first place or wandering about in their territory. A good energetic defence is all that is neccissary to rid yourself of this "problem."

If you don't wish to understand vamps more thoughroughly and if you don't want to stand on equal ground, then of course you wont be able to make use of any of the "irrelivant" information in the first place, so yes....to you the information would be entierly useless.

These generalizations encompass more than you think. I guarantee if you were to go into the lower astral you'll find a ton of evil beings, dark magicians, demons, parasites, ect...Vampirism is a second nature to just about every one of them. You'll find most of their behavior exactly as I described.

I go to those places quite often and I feel quite at home there as it is actually where I came from originally.

I wasn't disputing the possibility and existence of any of the behaviours you are talking about, I witness such things every day.

I know that you feel you have an understanding with these things and don't want them to be portrayed in such a way.

It's not that I don't want them to be portreyed in a certain way because to many it is all true and accurate. I simply want to give a well rounded view of the subject rather than a perspective from one side or another. It's far more reliable to understand all aspects of an issue rather than the negativities alone.

[SpiritCarrier]

1. It's not essential to understand the chemical properties of a poison to know it is not good for you.
2. That's because vampirism is all the same.
3. I guarantee if you were to go into the lower astral you'll find a ton of evil beings, dark magicians, demons, parasites, ect...Vampirism is a second nature to just about every one of them. You'll find most of their behavior exactly as I described.
4. I know that you feel you have an understanding with these things and don't want them to be portrayed in such a way.

Since you said you don't mind the discussion I feel a need to point a couple of things out about your last post earthatic.

The first thing you said about understanding the chemical properties of a posion is not necessarily true. For some what is a posion to others it is a healing. Penicillin for example, for some it will kill them, drain them of life and for others it provides life or healing. So understanding the chemical properties sometimes means life or death. Just a thought.

Second, thinking that vampirism is all the same is like saying that one nationality is all the same. Because you are whatever race you are this or that. I had hoped we had moved past such thinking.

Third, It is hard for me to understand how you can make the distinctions like you have here; EVIL, DARK and you can not do the same with vampirism. You don't count all magicians as dark and you don't count all beings as evil yet you count all energy vampires as evil parasites that deserve no understanding or even thought. According to you they are not even worth the time to get to know or understand, not even as much as we would do for a pet. That to me is a shame and very backward thinking.

I don't think I have an understanding of these people; I know I do. They are not things, they are different and yes some of them have earned the reputation that they have. Others have not. I will not catergorize an entire group of people by what some may do. If you wish to do so then by all means.

I don't frequent the lower astral and it is for a good reason. I chose my associate carefully. I give everyone, in the beginning, the benefit of the doubt. Once I come to learn of a persons nature I make up my own mind about that person. I do not generalize a group of people by the actions of one or many. Each person/being is unique and thus different and can not be held to account for the actions of another.

I simply agree to disagree with you earthatic.

Originally Posted by Sangress

As I stated here "But the reasons why their energetic bodies/forms need this energy is more complicated. In my response I was refering specifically to these underlying reasons" that was what I meant by other reasons.



So then what does count as energy vampirism to you?

Quote from wikipedia " Vampires are mythological or folkloric beings who subsist by feeding on the life essence of living creatures. Alternate terms for these entities include energy vampire, energy predator, energy parasite, and energivore, as well as psionic vampire, pranic vampire, and empathic vampire. Terms used to describe the substance or essence that psychic vampires take or receive from others include: energy,[1] qi (or ch'i), life force, prana, and vitality."

While there are alternate forms of vampirism. Vampirism in itself is clearly defined. Why even ask that question?

What you state as energy addiction from vampirism not counting actually does, in fact, count as vampirism because it falls into the category of feeding off another being, does it not?

Also, you are not being specific. What do you mean by these "complicated underlying reasons"? I am asking for examples and explanations.
I know how non-physical energetic systems work, how energy is lost, how it is gained, why certain energy is preferred over others.

*I put emphasis on emotional vampirism in my original posts because it is the most common one in the astral (emotional plane)*. I am not simplifying vampirism, because I know it is varied, but not complex from my understanding.

It actually may help if you know how to use the information in a practical way (speaking as a host rather than a vamp here) and if you know how to approach the beings without provoking them.

This will not stop them from feeding off your energy. Regardless of whether you know who they are or not. I have tried befriending my own, but if you deny them energy, they can get aggressive. It doesn't accomplish much.

True, although I do wonder why they would be attempting to latch onto you if you weren't vulnerable in the first place or wandering about in their territory. A good energetic defence is all that is neccissary to rid yourself of this "problem."

My home is their territory? Interesting...
Somehow I feel they claim individuals as their territory.

I spoke of ways to psychically defend yourself in my original posts. There's even more you can do, just research it. The problem is, the more persistent ones can be very manipulative and deceptive.
I know plenty of people who are having the same issues as me. Regardless of how much I have read and practiced, I haven't found a permanent solution.

If you don't wish to understand vamps more thoughroughly and if you don't want to stand on equal ground, then of course you wont be able to make use of any of the "irrelivant" information in the first place, so yes....to you the information would be entierly useless.

What good does it do to socially have an equal ground as a vampire? It doesn't make them stop feeding. That is the point I am trying to make.

Recently, when one tried to feed off of me, I responded by pulling the energy back and absorbing most of their own. It seems like they can get sent somewhere else after they lose enough energy (an unconscious realm, I suspect). So I guess learning about energy has been the most useful tool in my case.

I wasn't disputing the possibility and existence of any of the behaviours you are talking about, I witness such things every day.

It's not that I don't want them to be portreyed in a certain way because to many it is all true and accurate. I simply want to give a well rounded view of the subject rather than a perspective from one side or another. It's far more reliable to understand all aspects of an issue rather than the negativities alone.

Either way you look at it, leeches aren't good for you. That's what you need to understand as being the real "negative". They cause problems. Especially if you are trying to ascend, and they'll block you just so they can keep feeding. As soon as one claims you as a host, they don't let go easily.

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, there are other alternative forms of energy. If you cannot get by without getting it from another being, it is a dysfunction.

Originally Posted by SpiritCarrier

The first thing you said about understanding the chemical properties of a posion is not necessarily true. For some what is a posion to others it is a healing. Penicillin for example, for some it will kill them, drain them of life and for others it provides life or healing. So understanding the chemical properties sometimes means life or death. Just a thought.

You don't understand the analogy I was trying to make. So I highlighted something in your post....

Second, thinking that vampirism is all the same is like saying that one nationality is all the same. Because you are whatever race you are this or that. I had hoped we had moved past such thinking.

No, it can't be compared to nationality because it's an act. Why and how it is done is different. I can label a murderer as a murderer, whether they strangle, stab, shoot with a gun, I am not going into specifics as to how and why. The point is, the murderer kills people.
Serial killers themselves always exhibit sociopathic behavior as well. They almost always do it for the empowerment, thrill, and the desire...with no regard for the victim.
With your logic, you should resent me for labeling them as murderers...It doesn't make any sense. And before you go misinterpreting what I say again, this is not a direct comparison to vampires (even though it can be compared to a AT LEAST the vast majority of them).

Third, It is hard for me to understand how you can make the distinctions like you have here; EVIL, DARK and you can not do the same with vampirism. You don't count all magicians as dark and you don't count all beings as evil yet you count all energy vampires as evil parasites that deserve no understanding or even thought. According to you they are not even worth the time to get to know or understand, not even as much as we would do for a pet. That to me is a shame and very backward thinking.

It is the ACT of vampirism that is evil because it is selfish predatory act. It is your misunderstanding that is truly upsetting.
I group in evil with selfishness because all evil actually stems from selfishness and lack of empathy, am I wrong? Of course the extent of evil depends on the act, but it can all be labeled as such.

I generalize these beings as having similar characteristics because of how and why it is done (reasons for sociopathy, energy loss, ect.... )Again, I know how energy works, and I believe people are deluding themselves. But you can disagree if you want.

[SpiritCarrier]

No, it can't be compared to nationality because it's an act. Why and how it is done is different. I can label a murderer as a murderer, whether they strangle, stab, shoot with a gun, I am not going into specifics as to how and why. The point is, the murderer kills people.
Serial killers themselves always exhibit sociopathic behavior as well. They almost always do it for the empowerment, thrill, and the desire...with no regard for the victim.
With your logic, you should resent me for labeling them as murderers...It doesn't make any sense.

I think I am beginning to understand your theory now. If I Kill/murder someone in self defense, in order to protect my own life and in order to survive then I am a murder. I see.....That is an enlightened statement. I will have to think on that one and see if I deserve to keep living then. Perhaps I am a vampire, a murdering demon as you put it.

Also when I said drain them of life I did so knowing that was what you would key in on in that statement. It just goes to prove your mind is set/closed and there is not any statement that could be made that would help you to see another side. Discussions are usually only beneficial if there is room for understanding.

I also think you fail to see my point about some people/beings have no choice in the way they can consume energy. What they have a choice about is doing so in a manner that is not harmful and is actually helpful to the person they take from. These are simple facts that seem to have eluded you my friend, now let me see if my life deserves to continue further since I am seen, even in such an enlightened forum such as this, as a murder. Remember your words were, it does not matter the hows or whys it is the act that make Them/me a murder.

Originally Posted by SpiritCarrier

I think I am beginning to understand your theory now. If I Kill/murder someone in self defense, in order to protect my own life and in order to survive then I am a murder. I see.....That is an enlightened statement. I will have to think on that one and see if I deserve to keep living then. Perhaps I am a vampire, a murdering demon as you put it.

Snide remarks
...It's funny because you misunderstood the actual murderer comparison. With my statement at the end of the paragraph, I was hoping that this would be avoided... *Sigh*
I might be wasting my time, but I'll try to clarify this anyways. It was in a comparison as to WHY I label using the term vampires, as in relating to their actions because I was correcting your assumption saying that I label them as if it is a nationality. It is not so...
Being an entity who is low on energy, has chakra dis-functions, ect ect...Does not make them a vampire. Only when they commit the acts of stealing energy THEN they can be called one. Same as a sociopath who has the potential to kill someone. Until he kills someone, he cannot be called a murderer.
This is why it cannot be compared to labeling someone due to their nationality like you said I was doing...I don't know if I can make this point any clearer.

Also when I said drain them of life I did so knowing that was what you would key in on in that statement. It just goes to prove your mind is set/closed and there is not any statement that could be made that would help you to see another side.

Yes I keyed in on that statement, because you misinterpreted the analogy by listing other effects of what could be called a "poison", and you missed the point I was trying to make. Vampirism isn't healing, it is draining energy from another being. There is no other way the term can truthfully be interpreted...sheesh.
I DO see it from your perspective, but you keep misunderstanding what I am saying. Maybe intentionally because you're being defensive, I'm not sure...

I also think you fail to see my point about some people/beings have no choice in the way they can consume energy. What they have a choice about is doing so in a manner that is not harmful and is actually helpful to the person they take from. These are simple facts that seem to have eluded you my friend, now let me see if my life deserves to continue further since I am seen, even in such an enlightened forum such as this, as a murder.

I know the reasons why they'd have to out of survival, but the reason for why they'd have to is because of a dysfunction and desire.
Also, provide reasons as to why draining life force from a victim can be helpful? Unless something is offered in return, and what I've learned about others experiences with spiritual parasitic relationships, there usually isn't anything given back.

now let me see if my life deserves to continue further since I am seen, even in such an enlightened forum such as this, as a murder. Remember your words were, it does not matter the hows or whys it is the act that make Them/me a murder.

What the ****

[SpiritCarrier]

Ok earthatic. I surrender to your superior knowledge. I think I have missed the point of this thread all together. Please forgive me. I obviously do not know of what I speak.

May you have peace.

PS

What the ****

I do tend to have that affect on people. Again forgive me. I was not trying to be confrontational. Only trying to understand. I obviously am not capable. Again I beg your forgiveness. So that there is no misunderstanding this time, I am clearly stating that this is not a snide remark only a sincere apology.

Originally Posted by SpiritCarrier

Ok earthatic. I surrender to your superior knowledge. I think I have missed the point of this thread all together. Please forgive me. I obviously do not know of what I speak.

May you have peace.

PS

I do tend to have that affect on people. Again forgive me. I was not trying to be confrontational. Only trying to understand. I obviously am not capable. Again I beg your forgiveness. So that there is no misunderstanding this time, I am clearly stating that this is not a snide remark only a sincere apology.

I honestly cannot tell if this is sarcasm or what. It's obvious I have offended you, and I apologize for this.