Living the Dream ... Or Not?

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

You don't see the outside world, what you perceive of the outside world is a representation of the data your senses have collected and fed to your brain. How you sense the world in a physical sense is a result of your unconscious processing.

And once you have processed the unconscious data the world can no longer be a dream .

You can't have a dream of the waking world for 5 minutes and the rest not being a dream . The foundation in it's entirety is either a dream reality or it isn't . You can't keep swapping it around each time there is an unconscious download .

This is why the dream definition of the unconscious becoming conscious doesn't make sense other than a personal experience within a dream space, which is likened to a night time dream as already discussed .

To apply the unconscious processing to real life experience doesn't work for reasons given, you would be in and out of a dream reality 100 times a day, with no sound foundation of the actual reality lived and experienced .

The unconscious processing in normal Time and space doesn't equate to dream space . All it is, is that in a real world reality there is unconscious processing ongoing . It doesn't have to mean that you're dreaming in those moments .


x daz x

Originally Posted by God-Like

You can observe the dream but you can't live within a dream

The sane as you can observe you.

Originally Posted by God-Like

This seems to be the way it is, a way of bringing forth information that one cannot bring forward in normal time and space, perhaps because one is not quiet enough or peaceful enough to connect with different layers of self .

When we're awake the conscious mind is predominant and that's what many people actually mean when they are Spiritually Awake. When we are asleep our consciousness shuts down and the 'barriers' between the conscious and the unconscious almost disappear.

Originally Posted by God-Like

What is confusing is when you state that I AM is the dream, it doesn't in my eyes fit in with your definition of the unconscious becoming conscious because you can simply be aware of I AM and it has nowt to do with the unconscious in order to be simply aware of I AM .

To put it simply, your unconscious - the one that feeds you the dream - also feeds you your ego/"Sense of I am" They both come from the same place. It has everything to do with the unconscious.

Originally Posted by God-Like

It's like self sending self an email and is present to receive it . To then read it and be surprised in what is said

More like different departments.[/quote]

Originally Posted by God-Like

And has got nowt to do with the unconscious becoming conscious of them .

It has everything to do with being conscious of the unconscious, because symbology is the 'language of consciousness'. The characters you type represent your consciousness.

Originally Posted by God-Like

Perceiving the reality of the tree has got nothing to do with a dream world .

They are the same thing.

Originally Posted by God-Like

The structure of the tree is there to be seen and memory does play a part because you remember and recognise what one has previously seen .

The sane as you have memory of the people yopu have been dreaming about.

Originally Posted by God-Like

If the dream is only relating to what was unconscious becoming conscious then once there is the conscious experience of the tree, it can no longer be a dream

The unconscious draws from the same aspects of you as your conscious, so if you've seen a tree then you can dream about it. The difference is the dream uses the tree a symbol or a character as a representation to try to make you conscious. Often the poor wee beastie has its work cut out for it.

In consciousness a silver coin is literally a silver coin, in the dream it represents a 'point of consciousness' that means something to you personally. The whole dream represents what's already in your skull but it has to be 'translated' to be made sense of. That's where people fall over when they dismiss the dream, they can't be bothered with the imagery and it's easy to dismiss what they don't understand. If they took the time to understand how dreams work they'd understand how
"Life, indeed, is like a heat haze.
Things have no form in themselves."
Lao Tzu

Originally Posted by God-Like

And once you have processed the unconscious data the world can no longer be a dream .

Ah well now Dazza, that's an entirely different can of worms.

Originally Posted by God-Like

This is why the dream definition of the unconscious becoming conscious doesn't make sense other than a personal experience within a dream space, which is likened to a night time dream as already discussed .

Then you have two choices, you can stay with what you are conscious of within your own reality or you can go down the rabbit-hole of your skull.

Originally Posted by God-Like

To apply the unconscious processing to real life experience doesn't work for reasons given, you would be in and out of a dream reality 100 times a day, with no sound foundation of the actual reality lived and experienced .

Those are your reasons from your understanding and, with respect, only reflects your understanding.

Originally Posted by God-Like

The unconscious processing in normal Time and space doesn't equate to dream space

Your skull is processing huge amounts of data and doing things you'd never even dreamed that you do, and you never become conscious of any of it. Did you know that when you talk to people you're reading facial expressions and body language? Next time you're talking to someone, be aware of your feelings because they are also the result of unconscious processing.

[Moonglow]

[QUOTE=God-Like

Hey M.G.

Yes the definition is the bog standard one .. and most will relate to the dream only because they have experienced a dream . A dream of when we are not conscious of our surroundings, other than what the dream presents
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Hi daz,

How can one compare another's experience if that person has not experienced it?

Meaning, it may appear to one that through what is realized, what has been thought to be is not the complete picture and/or not what is being at all.

Yes, there is a comparison there for the one experiencing it, but to the other that it is being described or explained to there may not. Therefore what one experiences may not make sense or not understood.

I feel at times there can be too much focus upon taking symbols and/or metaphors too literally and not looking at what they may be pointing to and representing.

This is not to invalidate what you present. It is my thoughts upon this at present.

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Hi daz,

How can one compare another's experience if that person has not experienced it?

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Thats true enough to say, but when a peep speaks about the reality of the world being a dream, one can only compare that to a nightly dream had .

Would you agree?

If this world was the same as the spirit world then no one would dream . No-one would have a comparison for the waking world .

That is why the bog standard definition of the dream reflects someone who is asleep while observing sounds and images .

Where would the notion of the dream be if no one dreamed a dream of the waking world . Where would the notion of the dream be if no one awakened from a dream?


x dazzle x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Meaning, it may appear to one that through what is realized, what has been thought to be is not the complete picture and/or not what is being at all.

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Again, yes . This is why after self realisation some say the world is real and some say the opposite .

Partly it's because the realisation itself doesn't present any answers . There is no one to question or receive answers .

What happens is that in due course when one returns to mindful awareness and when one is again self identified one concludes what happened or what being absent means in reflection of being present . In other words self and no self .

This reflects in what everything else is . If one concludes that the realisation is Love, then everything is love. Likewise if one concludes the world is an illusion etc, etc ..


x dazzler x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Ah well now Dazza, that's an entirely different can of worms.

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Well it is and it isn't . If the definition of the dream is the unconscious becoming conscious then when one is conscious of the tree, it can no longer be a dream tree or part of the dream itself .

I don't relate to the definition obviously but I do understand how it can work from an internal perspective when the oversoul or the higher self for use of a better word/s can bring forth information . Likened to the email analogy but this doesn't have a bearing on the reality of the universe being a dream or an illusory appearance .

All it refers to is an individual process of becoming conscious of something that was previously not . (on some level anyway) because if there is something in or of the unconscious mind then it has at one point been made conscious of .

Just because we can't acknowledge everything within our conscious mind at anyone time doesn't mean that one is dreaming when we are having a download .


x daz x

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Greenslade

Then you have two choices, you can stay with what you are conscious of within your own reality or you can go down the rabbit-hole of your skull.

Well sure, but it depends from where one stands and speaks from this point . I have been down the rabbit hole for 20 odd years . I self enquired religiously for 14 years until I realised what I did . My thoughts today reflect that . So people can say all day long for me to go meditate or awaken, or go down the rabbit hole .


x daz x