anyone ever experienced oneness?

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by arive nan

I have had this experience. But I would not say that everyone is not real. That is not how I would put it. Things/people/etc exist... but the way they seem to exist while in a dual state of awareness is very different from the way they seem to exist in the nondual state of awareness.

In the nondual/oneness state of awareness, the separations between people and objects that normally seemed so real your whole life suddenly seem like an illusion. The separation is what doesn't seem real anymore. We are all different parts, POVs, sets of memories, and etc. of the same being. That one being has consciousness. The individuals that are part of it have consciousness and individual POVs, but their consciousness is part of the consciousness of the one being we are all a part of. Individuals can change or expand their awareness until they experience that one being consciousness and then retain some memory of the experience. And then they can go on with their lives as individuals with individual POVs, but with the memory that the world/reality is not really as it seems to be. Generally, this is a positive thing that helps people to cope with life's difficulties and discover more insights and etc.

During the experience itself, most people find it feels very blissful. Many feel that this oneness is full of a feeling that seems like a unique kind of love. At least, of all the human feelings that we can look to for comparison, the feeling that we know of as "love" comes the closest. But it is not precisely the same thing, because it is all encompassing. During this awareness of being one with everything and awareness of an all encompassing love within this everything, that includes the stuff that in a "normal" dual state of awareness is considered bad, very bad, evil, and etc. It doesn't mean that the individual now loves things that are generally considered horribly evil. It just means that this is a different kind of love. You can still be able to recognise after the experience that some things are very unhealthy/immoral from a human perspective and respond to them accordingly.

in oneness it is consciousness and matter that is unified into one being .
Solid and a shining darkness. Incredibly real. There are no objects nor subjects there.
Just an ocean of wakeful ness. And it has nothing to do with povs and dualities

[sound]

Originally Posted by arive nan

During this awareness of being one with everything and awareness of an all encompassing love within this everything, that includes the stuff that in a "normal" dual state of awareness is considered bad, very bad, evil, and etc. It doesn't mean that the individual now loves things that are generally considered horribly evil. It just means that this is a different kind of love. You can still be able to recognise after the experience that some things are very unhealthy/immoral from a human perspective and respond to them accordingly.

I enjoyed reading your post too arive nan ... for me it is not about condoning, which is the cause of much debate here , there and everywhere , but more about being able to understand why that 'non-health is/has occurred, and the processes which led to its manifestation. The so-called big picture ... then people try to talk about it lol ...

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Neville

This Oneness seems dependent on acceptance and even integration of all of everything.

It seems that we have a plurality versions of oneness hehehe

[Xan]

This Oneness seems dependent on acceptance and even integration of all of everything.

ummm.... not really, Neville.

Becoming aware in Oneness happens spontaneously and can't be construed by the mind. Oneness is not just a collection of puzzle pieces as us, but is the origin and context of them all.


Xan

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Xan

This Oneness seems dependent on acceptance and even integration of all of everything.

ummm.... not really, Neville.

Becoming aware in Oneness happens spontaneously and can't be construed by the mind. Oneness is not just a collection of puzzle pieces as us, but is the origin and context of them all.


Xan

Correct it is not a unity in numbers. Cominng out of i. . . Its hard to remain a hardcore materialist or individualist. We speak as individuals as a necessity but its a different thing to speak with conviction as an individual.

So just to clarify...Oneness is not all encompassing then ?

I think, just for the sake of clarity, we might try to clarify what oneness is, because it appears that it might be different for different people.

This is what I found out.

Oneness (countable and uncountable; plural onenesses)

1 (uncountable) State of being one or undivided; unity.
2 (countable) The product of being one or undivided.

[Xan]

Neville: So just to clarify...Oneness is not all encompassing then ?

Who did you hear saying that, Neville?

Oneness is what all the ones arise from, and into which they dissolve again at some point, and contain as their essence in the meanwhile... like the drops and the ocean all being water.


Oneness (countable and uncountable; plural onenesses)

1 (uncountable) State of being one or undivided; unity.
2 (countable) The product of being one or undivided.

There is a problem with using definitions made by people who haven't experienced what is beyond the mind, intimately and directly.

No matter how we may try, there's no way to describe the indescribable and uncountable... being aware in oneness. It's really more a zero-ness, no thing-ness... in Sanskrit sunyata.

All we can do is point toward the silence presence of It so when it shows up in your awareness you might say, "Oh! That's what they're talking about!" and give it full attention in that moment.


Xan

Originally Posted by Xan

Neville: So just to clarify...Oneness is not all encompassing then ?

Who did you hear saying that, Neville?

Oneness is what all the ones arise from, and into which they dissolve again at some point, and contain as their essence in the meanwhile... like the drops and the ocean all being water.


Oneness (countable and uncountable; plural onenesses)

1 (uncountable) State of being one or undivided; unity.
2 (countable) The product of being one or undivided.

There is a problem with using definitions made by people who haven't experienced what is beyond the mind, intimately and directly.

No matter how we may try, there's no way to describe the indescribable and uncountable... being aware in oneness. It's really more a zero-ness, no thing-ness... in Sanskrit sunyata.

All we can do is point toward the silence presence of It so when it shows up in your awareness you might say, "Oh! That's what they're talking about!" and give it full attention in that moment.


Xan

If a thing defies description, it's very difficult to discuss. I wish the contributors to this thread well with it all though.

[Moonglow]

Hello,

Just an observation and/or point of view.

It strikes me as interesting that one may say oneness is indescribable.

If another presents their expression or sharing in what may be experienced, to that person, as a state of oneness and this does not fit into, IMO, a set philosophy, then the debate goes on or the person is not seen as truly experiencing oneness.

So it goes.

How can one know that another is not experiencing a sense of oneness or harmony?

To say oneness is the whole and then chop and dice it up to fit into what one may experience and thus feels is such seems a contradiction.

IMO, if oneness is all then it contains all. The form and formless. To me it is finding the harmony or connection with this.

Feel this can be obtained in many ways for each individual, but even if one does not see it this way or pay attention to it is he/she any less of it?

Not to say anyone is wrong in what is presented, just some things that for me creates it to be more complicated then necessary.

But this may be just me.

Peace

[Xan]

How can one know that another is not experiencing a sense of oneness or harmony?

Ah but, Moonglow... harmony can be described and discussed as an human attitude or alignment or connectedness, whereas the universal sense of oneness is purely and simply experiential and without opposing attributes, such as disharmony.

In this knowing one can subtly feel who else knows and who doesn't. Sometimes people interpret this as if it comes from a superior/inferior view but it's not that at all. We talk about it only to support others awakening in unboundaried silent whole awareness.


Xan