Are people coming back as dogs?

[Altair]

Originally Posted by MidasCloud

That being said, souls do not physically reincarnate downwards, though if dogs are to be "physically capable" like humans, so they can build houses, talk and write, as well as write books, then humans certainly can reincarnate into the man-dogs.

''Downwards'', so said the human, placing himself on a pedestal.

Building houses? Many animals build stuff that functions as a ''house''. Ants, bees, badgers, birds. Need I go on? It's not really illustrative of being 'up' or 'down'. Writing and talking? Other organisms have their own ways of communication.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by RedEmbers

Another perspective is that every single living entity has innate wisdom to impart, so there is no real hierarchy if all matter belongs to the same pool.

All pieces of a puzzle. An ecosystem with producers, consumers and decomposers. It is not a pyramid but a circle.

Civilization has taught us 'pyramidical thinking', because we are every day confronted with 'our' many achievements and mastery we start to imagine we are separate from the natural world.

[Redburyva]

No. A human can never incarnate as an animal or in any other form other than that of a human while living upon the earth. Likewise, an animal can never incarnate as a human.

The human spirit has its origin in a different sphere of substance to that of animal souls, whose origin lies in the animal kingdom. The animal kingdom is also home to souls of other species we know as fairies, gnomes, elves, giants, and the like. It also contains the souls of other living organisms like plants and trees.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Redburyva

The human spirit has its origin in a different sphere of substance to that of animal souls, whose origin lies in the animal kingdom.

Humans are animals.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Redburyva

No. A human can never incarnate as an animal or in any other form other than that of a human while living upon the earth.
Likewise, an animal can never incarnate as a human.

That's nice - but remember, if you are going to state something as fact ...
give us a link or something.
Or else say: "I believe or I have read or imo..." See what I mean. Thanks :)

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Altair

Humans are animals.

That is one perspective.

Another perspective is that human beings are spiritual consciousness incarnated into animal bodies. But human consciousness is very different from animal consciousness. Hence the struggle for those on the spiritual journey, pulled between their spiritual nature and their animal nature.

And yet another perspective is that the human body is actually very different from the animal body, and most of us are completely unaware of the potential of this human body.

We each choose whichever perspective makes most sense to us. But declaring that humans are animals is an opinion, not a statement of fact.

Peace

[Altair]

Originally Posted by iamthat

That is one perspective.

What we call 'human' is organic, so it's a biological fact that humans are animals. It's not a perspective.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Altair

What we call 'human' is organic, so it's a biological fact that humans are animals. It's not a perspective.

Organic only refers to the dense physical body.

Some of us consider the human in terms of consciousness, mind and emotions plus an energy body, as well as the dense physical body. These are nothing to do with biology.

All we can do is share our opinions, but it helps to be aware that our opinions are not necessarily facts.

Peace

[RedEmbers]

Scientifically speaking and biologically speaking, when we die and get buried, or cremated and flung out to sea or what have you, our basic elements are in fact the very same elements which make up everything on planet earth.
We get recycled by the fungus and bacteria which breaks us down, become compost which the trees feed off which in turn the animals feed off.

It is indeed a circle "the circle of life". For this very reason I do not feel that it is at all a ridiculous notion of people reincarnating into animals.

Plenty of earth based cultures have beliefs of ancestors coming back as animals to watch over their human families.
I personally feel that it is quite short- sighted to place humans in a hierarchy above plants and animals, bacteria and fungus because without them, we would not even be here.

[RedEmbers]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Organic only refers to the dense physical body.

These are nothing to do with biology.

All we can do is share our opinions, but it helps to be aware that our opinions are not necessarily facts.

Peace

Everything is energy, that includes all the biological elements which make up the human body. None of it can be separated, just recycled into a different form. Human physicality, is part of this system and therefore just as spiritual as whatever a person might views the soul or the spirit.

Every living thing has energy which has its own wisdom and cannot be destroyed, simply recycled. This includes every single thing in the entire system, even the bacteria which help to recycle everything.

Everything has wisdom within this system. Even viruses have their own concious program which works for and within the system, imparting its wisdom about the state of the body, mind, emotional or spiritual of the human or animal.

This entire thread and forum is mostly a bunch of opinions since nobody has really proven that the soul exists. Biology is an observed science, easier to find facts there. I'm not personally discounting the existence of soul, I just am of the opinion that it is inseparable from all living and organic, vibrating atoms of matter, including bacteria, fungus and viruses... and everything else.