Christianity is not politically correct.

[django]

Originally Posted by sky123

Gosh it didn't seem so precious to the OT writers, so much slaying/raping/toture etc maybe they just treasured their body and disregarded the rest

I have to repeat a lot here. Christianity of the New Testament, can you let go of the OT for this thread, please.

I am referring to the words of Jesus as recorded in the NT, not the OT.

[Honza]

Originally Posted by sky123

Not all Christians Altair, but definitely some on here

You will find it is all a matter of perception....

[sky]

Originally Posted by django

I have to repeat a lot here. Christianity of the New Testament, can you let go of the OT for this thread, please.

I am referring to the words of Jesus as recorded in the NT, not the OT.

A perfect example of how beliefs can be blinding.
There is also violence in the NT Do a little research, ' When he finds, he will become troubled ' is very apt


But if that slave says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and if he begins to beat the other slaves, men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and put him with the unfaithful.That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating.
Luke 12.45.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Honza

You will find it is all a matter of perception....

Exactly, been saying that all the time, glad that someone has noticed. We all see differently (Thank God) .

Originally Posted by django

In our pluralistic society it has become politically incorrect to claim that God has revealed Himself decisively in Jesus. Popularly, all roads lead to Rome, all beliefs are equally valid, and all are heading to the same place. This leaves Christians who claim that their particular belief is the only truth to seem awfully narrow-minded and intolerant.

But to actually be a Christian is unfortunately to declare that Christianity as found in the New Testament is the ONLY true way.

In the Bible, Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father [God] except through me" (John 14:6, NIV). In Acts 4:12, the Apostle Peter said of Jesus, "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

If we are to believe this in this day and age, we are demeaned as being narrow-minded and somehow intellectually inferior, but this seems to be a problem I am stuck with, because I do believe these words, not through faith but through experience. It's a difficult position to defend in this millenium.

I am politically incorrect.
my view of Love is unpopular.
But my view is what God has allowed me to see.
So my commandments are written on my heart.
If anyone says you must follow Jesus to recieve the Love of the Father
and to Love the Father, I have to ask. Why would a Loving God keep all humans
that do not know Jesus or follow Jesus from being anointed in His Love?
The Father I know would not do this.
Now if we are talking about the Christ and the Holy Spirit of God then I see that God has given
everything this same Christ and His Holy Spirit.
A person may not know the name Jesus.
But they may know the Spirit of Christ and Gods Holy Spirit.
My belief is God has made the Christ Spirit and Gods Holy Spirit excessable to ALL.
There is ONE Fire
There is ONE Rock
There is ONE Water
There is ONE Green
These were given freely by my Father and my Mother
There is ONE Tree of Life who is the Christ.
We are all children of ONE Blood under these in my view.

These views may get me flogged stoned or bannished.
But I can not unlearn LOVE.

[django]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

I am politically incorrect.
my view of Love is unpopular.
But my view is what God has allowed me to see.
So my commandments are written on my heart.
If anyone says you must follow Jesus to recieve the Love of the Father
and to Love the Father, I have to ask. Why would a Loving God keep all humans
that do not know Jesus or follow Jesus from being anointed in His Love?
The Father I know would not do this.
Now if we are talking about the Christ and the Holy Spirit of God then I see that God has given
everything this same Christ and His Holy Spirit.
A person may not know the name Jesus.
But they may know the Spirit of Christ and Gods Holy Spirit.
My belief is God has made the Christ Spirit and Gods Holy Spirit excessable to ALL.
There is ONE Fire
There is ONE Rock
There is ONE Water
There is ONE Green
These were given freely by my Father and my Mother
There is ONE Tree of Life who is the Christ.
We are all children of ONE Blood under these in my view.

These views may get me flogged stoned or bannished.
But I can not unlearn LOVE.

As I said, Christianity is politically incorrect. It's hard to defend against these sort of 'fairness' complaints.

Missionaries did try to get the word out about Jesus throughout the world, so that everyone might know His name, but missionary work itself is seen as un-PC nowadays, so maybe it's not much of a defence.

[django]

Originally Posted by sky123

A perfect example of how beliefs can be blinding.
There is also violence in the NT Do a little research, ' When he finds, he will become troubled ' is very apt


But if that slave says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and if he begins to beat the other slaves, men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour that he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and put him with the unfaithful.That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating.
Luke 12.45.

Hmmm, the parable of the beating. Indefensible. Of course it was a parable set in 1st century Israel, where life was undoubtedly violent, but quite politically incorrect in 2019.Thankfully his ministry itself was marked by great mercy and kindness.

Do you use this verse to prove that Jesus is violent, or that the Jesus of the bible has been misrepresented, and the true Jesus is to be found in gnostic texts? How do you understand Jesus's violence in the gnostic gospels, for example in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas?

[django]

Double posting.

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

I am politically incorrect.
my view of Love is unpopular.
But my view is what God has allowed me to see.
So my commandments are written on my heart.
If anyone says you must follow Jesus to recieve the Love of the Father
and to Love the Father, I have to ask. Why would a Loving God keep all humans
that do not know Jesus or follow Jesus from being anointed in His Love?
The Father I know would not do this.

Indeed, a God which punishes others for not believing Him even though he is apparently omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent etc.

But through the Divine, We Find God and realize God is indeed Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent..and God (for lack of a better word) is great...

A nice little paradox indeed.

JL

Originally Posted by django

The whole world could be against me and I would still believe what I believe, but I can't say I don't care.

Maybe that just demonstrates that I have further to go.

Or maybe it demonstrates that your heart is open, which I think it is.

Shivani Devi is a wonderful person, but her path is her path - and you do not know her real level of realization - or otherwise. So mimicing the behavior is only one side of things.

JL