Freedom from your own insights

[Gem]

People like to imagine that spiritual developement, meditation practice, and developing gifts is futile, but playing the piano isn't futile, it is a talent, like a gift that needs to be practiced and developed.

It's not about perfection, only about improvement, because things change.

People are attempting to convince others to drop their meditative practice, or whatever developement it is, which is akin to saying drop exersizing, or stop your healthy diet.

By no means should anyone desist a practice they find enriching beneficial and satisfying.

Originally Posted by Gem

People like to imagine that spiritual developement, meditation practice, and developing gifts is futile, but playing the piano isn't futile, it is a talent, like a gift that needs to be practiced and developed.

It's not about perfection, only about improvement, because things change.

People are attempting to convince others to drop their meditative practice, or whatever developement it is, which is akin to saying drop exersizing, or stop your healthy diet.

By no means should anyone desist a practice they find enriching beneficial and satisfying.

Agree. But I would say "a practice that is working".

Originally Posted by sound

Most definately Gem ... I fully promote meditation and its benefits too ... what i was asking din is what else is he promoting so as to still the mind if it isn't meditation ... and yeah a long hard look at oneself is not to be underestimated thats for sure as often as is required lol

Lisa has the right idea:

Squatchit- Drop them.

Just be.

Just drop everything, including the idea to still the mind, or anything else that needs future in order for life to better than this present moment

ya know this thread is hilarious!

everyone has their own ideas, everyone sees life differently...

My God!

We're all normal!

Vive la difference!

[sound]

Originally Posted by din

Lisa has the right idea:

Just drop everything, including the idea to still the mind, or anything else that needs future in order for life to better than this present moment

Does that include dropping the idea of dropping ideas so as to create more 'future' freedom din? I have got a better idea my good man lol why dont you just have another koan only joking but you know that hey xx lol I cant afford to lose anymore friends hahaha

Originally Posted by din

There are certain members here who seem to take the spiritual search seriously, they honestly believe there's something they can find, some truth that will liberate them or some way in which they can view life that will be less problematic than before.

That is the promise of thought, of the mind, of time...

We are constantly hoping that things will improve in the future.

Perhaps, that's because, in some way, we don't like the way things are right now.

So what is the possibility that we can drop all need to find something in the future, even the need for deep insights into life itself and just be what we already are?

Nah, that's way too easy.Life is heaps more complicated than that, everything we need is external, the words of the gurus are The Word whether we can make sense of them or not, and it's people's right to analyse things to the Nth degree.

For me - spiritual self sovereignty.

[Xan]

Originally Posted by andrew g

I think the question here is, to what degree can we drop the need to be seen as wise, insightful, spiritually evolved, awakened, conscious, enlightened, authentic? To what degree can we drop the need to be seen as someone who knows the truth? To what degree are we open to being wrong, laughable, foolish, silly, unconscious, unevolved, unawakened, unenlightened, naive? To what degree can we drop the need to take ourselves seriously?

One degree at a time. Now...


Xan