Why are you a vegetarian or vegan?

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

Of course they are all living beings.

But to me, a dog is more important then a fly.
And I value the protection of dolphins more then the protection of mites.

Little creatures like bugs have very short lives, other species like elephants are intelligent, social, and generally live long.
Some creatures are intelligent, social, have personalities, and can clearly feel pains and pleasures.

They are all important, but we all have our preferences.
When it comes to humans; our family and friends are more dear to us then strangers from a distant country.

We ALL discriminate.

Make your own choices, do what you think is the right choice for you.

Correction: Our ego discriminates.
I don't believe our true self ever does.

[Rah nam]

We can make any kind of argument for or against killing animal for our consumption. Ultimately it is about ours elf, our vibration.
This does not mean, one can not grow by eating flesh, but not past a certain point.

[Chrysaetos]

Originally Posted by Lovely

Correction: Our ego discriminates.
I don't believe our true self ever does.

Maybe so, but while we're here we can't live without making choices based on personal preferences.

Because I feel better spiritually and physically. I've tried a lot of different diets to see how I felt. I found that I felt the best when I ate food that had not been processed. The more I stuck to eating things we would be able to forge (fruit, nuts, vegetables, greens, eggs and meat), the better I felt. But, as time when on, I didn't like the energy of eating meat. It no longer felt right to me on several levels, so I stopped eating it.

Originally Posted by Rah nam

We can make any kind of argument for or against killing animal for our consumption. Ultimately it is about ours elf, our vibration.

Originally Posted by Rah nam

This does not mean, one can not grow by eating flesh, but not past a certain point.

this is a great answer

1'll add 2it

1ve seen some ppl attempt to raise children vegan/veggie
with extremely bad results physically/emotionally/psychologically/spiritually
[this is only my observation = limited2my view]

a guru 1 knew once said that ‘’everything we do spiritually to reap reward or guidance/punishment must be a conscious decision’’.

children raised vegan didn’t make a conscious decision, their parents fed them that way and hence they reap no reward.

the body too may very well need flesh foods to a certain age
this wouldn’t surprise me.

a study said that vegetarian brains are smaller than meat-eaters brains
other studies show brain size is unrelated to intelligence/cognitive levels
[women have bigger brains than men, but this means nothing]

1ve written an entire article on LIES about vegetarianism …
perhaps 1’ll find and post it …
very interesting.

Vegans say that GeneSis states that veggies was the diet of paradise in Eden
Yet Abel kept flocks, presumably for food.
The Sumerian gods who were in Eden at that time ate meat themselves and engaged in other activities which were forbidden to the ‘slave class’.

So this may about a power-grab not what is healthy or spiritually pure.
Or veganism may save the world.

1n a book I wrote about a guru I knew [now out-of-print] I observed that vegans 1ve known personally seem to suffer from greater instances of mental-illness and to much greater degrees than omnivores.
Neurotic/Psychotic/Egomaniacal disorders … they want to ‘save the world’ which creates a great playing field for mental/spiritual/emotional disorders. Great pain.
If re-incarnation is true I think possibly they carry the weakness/sensitivity they accumulate in this life into the next and it is exploited by administrative powers every time.

Being vegan [and certain plants they often use] seems to create a more sensitive being.
Its like the difference between the straw house and the brick house in “The 3 Little Pigs” story.
The feather weight [sensitive soul] getting blown around by whatever force enters the picture every time.

That is One MODEL of thought.

The reason I became a Vegetarian is that I love animals. When I was little and on vacation we passed a slaughter house and all I could think about was the little cows I saw eating grass thinking they perhaps would not be there tomorrow... I been one for about seven years and enjoying it :)

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

Maybe so, but while we're here we can't live without making choices based on personal preferences.

Unfortunately, that's true.

Every moment is a new opportunity to decide what is the greatest version of yourself that you can be and by doing so, we define 'God'. If we see God as a creator, as the source of all, as Love, then how can we choose to be any less? When we chose to do harm, whether physical or verbal or psychological, or choose to let/encourage someone else to do harm, we are making a choice to be less than we are capable of being. I choose to be like my Source, I choose to be loving, compassionate.....

DebbyM

How can you say that eating meat can be harmful to an omnivore which is exactly what humans are?

Though a majority of humans follow a omnivore diet,
that doesn't mean we were meant to.

Humans eat meat that makes us omnivore right?
Humans fly trough the air that makes us birds right?
Humans swim in water that makes us fish right?
Humans can go underground that means we're earth worms right?

When we see a dead animal do we salivate? No.
When we see a running animal do our instincts
tell us to run, kill, and eat it? No.

Do some research in to it.
I'll help.
http://www.rense.com/general20/meant.htm

http://www.tierversuchsgegner.org/wiki/index.php?title=Taxonomy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zhL1YUd8Q

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating.html

I actually was studying into some human evolution since
I'm highly interested in our ancestors. I was surprised
to find out most if not all of our early ancestors ate berries and
nuts only. Meat came on later.

• Meat-eaters: have claws
  Herbivores: no claws
  Humans: no claws

• Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
  Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
  Humans: perspire through skin pores

• Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
  Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
  Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

• Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
  Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
  Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

• Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
  Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
  Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

• Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
  Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
  Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

• Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
  Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
  Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Based on a chart by A.D. Andrews, Fit Food for Men, (Chicago: American Hygiene Society, 1970)


As for happiness, is the only happiness that you live off of comes only from the food you eat?
No, you shouldn't be happy only because of
what you eat. But does knowing your eating a tortured animal
lower your happiness? It does mine.

Now onto Spirituality. How can what you eat affect your Spirituality
when there are so many factors that contribute to such a topic?
Many things can affect your spirituality. But think of our
body as a temple. Meat is in reality a dead body. Negative
energy is poison to us. So the energy from the fear, pain,
disease ETC. the animal experienced is still in the body.
You bring that body into your temple, your temple will absorb it.
So it may not mess up your spirituality but it affects you in a spiritual way, and not in a good way.

Now here is one last thing that I think all vegetarians/vegans never take into consideration:
How can vegetarians/vegans, in any way, look down on meat eaters when well over 90%
of them were meat eaters themselves to some extent?
Good question. While I personally don't
look down on meat eaters, many vegs do.
I have a theory for this. I think because so many vegs use to eat
meat/dairy they feel so guilty about it. So instead of facing and
letting go of their guilt they throw the hatred they feel from their past
act towards meat eaters. Also some people go veg, not for animals,
but to feel superior to others.

Although i don't look down on meat eaters, I still think
eating meat is bad for health, environment, animals etc..
Even most meat eaters would agree with me.
Even Barack Obama ,who eats meat, raised some good points
I never thought of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt56ER4TSqc

Just like ex smokers think smoking is
bad for health, environment, and for people
who have no choice but to second hand smoke.
Most smokers, non smokers, and ex smokers would
agree that that's true.

There is a difference between looking down on and disagreeing with.

Soy isn't always good for females. If you have genetic disorders
like PCOS, that soy can wreak havoc for you. It screws up the already
messed up hormones even more which in turn causes problems from
acne, excess hair and can even lead to health problems down the road.
Soy is not the ONLY vegan alternative.
And thanks for sharing this about soy, I don't
have any genetic disorder but it's still good to know.
If I ever find out I have one I'll switch to almond milk.

However, I can tell you WAY worse results of consuming
dairy and meat that affects you rather or not you have a disorder.



glad i read this ...
couldve helped 34 yrs ago when i went vegan

[Lightspirit]

One is health reasons the other is ethical.

Have you ever seen schindlers list?

Modern day battery farms are the holocaust of the animals. They are voiceless and powerless to fight it, its the worst evil done to anything ever in history. When you eat meat from that you are also become part of it and ingest the suffering.
Every day I dont eat meat I can stop an animal being born into that.

Besides all that yucky sentence above vegetarinaism makes you feel so good.
I have a different connection with the world and am more peaceful inside. I think in may ways it enhanced spirituality and helped mesee the world in a different and really nice way.