The NDE, a Greater Truth

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Yes, it is interesting Ecth., how you claim to not be the atheist, yet, you refer to such as fantasy. But, such is the nature of "the Wolf". As described by Jesus in the Gospels.

One does not have to believe the literal truth of the Bible in order to believe in God Morpheus.
Do you believe the story of Noah to be factual?
Also Adam and Eve, the Tower of Babel, the lifespans of the patriarchs, etc?
Personally, I see symbolism rather than a true record of history in the Bible. That does not stop me from believing in God. Rather, it helps me to believe.

[Morpheus]

Here is one among many Experiences, sprinkled amid the accounts, which intimates a negative being, or, Devil.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/daniel_m_probable_nde.htm

"I had no conception of time but many thoughts. The thoughts were of my loved ones. I had a heightened sense of awareness.
Another being appeared between myself and the first being. I could not see any lips moving but I heard the second being say, I have chains, locks and keys to those locks, he is not yours.
The expression on the first beings face became angry, then he disappeared.

The second being slowly turned towards me and smiled a warm loving smile. I at that very moment I knew that I was being sent back."

Another account from the same site.
It seems that atheists go to Heaven
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/frank_g's_nde.htm
Link is not working. Please copy and paste.

[Morpheus]

"... I might as well include some of it here.... Rock n roll is not the evil. the world leaders are the evil. they don't want us to be one with god; they take away our right to pray; well, we better start praying with all our might right now believe me."


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/christine_s_nde_238.htm

[Morpheus]

"Now, in my experience I was ME but i wasn't "HANNAH".


I knew myself but not as Hannah. I don't remember what was spoken but I remember the feelings I felt.
All I remember him saying was, "it's time to go back now." I looked at him puzzled (Not remembering earth) and then felt a pain on my shoulder. When I felt the pain I began to travel through a tunnel...
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/hannah_f_nde.htm

Mathew 22:30-31 -"Jesus answered and said unto them, ' Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. ' "

[Morpheus]

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/domi_l_probable_nde.htm

From France. From someone who is not familiar with the Bible.

"I knew things that I never learned and others that I was hiding. The superior power is existing and we have to do what it is saying...
and I believe that at a certain moment I knew that I had to come back, as I was lacking knowledge, but that I would have a hard time on earth, and that I also had to get through it, and that this was nothing in comparison to what was following."
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"9 but according as it is written,
Things which eye has not seen, and ear not heard, and which have not come into man's heart,
which God has prepared for them that love him,"


2Corinthians 2

St. Paul...who himself tells us of his own NDE.
Acts 14:19. - 2 Corinthians 12.
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A Testimony of "regeneration"; Born again, post NDE:

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/francis_g_nde.htm

John 3:3 -
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God."

[Morpheus]

Here are a couple of Experience accounts to scrutinize concerning opinion vs. fact, or subjective perception vs. objective reality.

In the first one, from Leslie, the Experiencer speaks of being sure God exists, but not being, "religious"... but rather "spiritual".

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/leslie_probable_nde.htm

"Are there one or several parts of your experience that are especially meaningful or significant to you? The entire experience was meaningful to me. I feel that if I did not have that experience as a child that I would no longer believe in God."

The reason they cite that they are not "religious" is that they are not, "manipulated to live right."
?
Does this mean that they, after their life changing Experience, no longer feel the need to "live right"? Doubt that...
They are citing their subjective opinion, then, on what is "religious", and what is "spiritual".
A matter of personal perception.
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Sylvie

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/sylvie_a_nde.htm

"During your experience, did you encounter any other specific information / awareness that you have not shared in other questions that is relevant to living our earthly lives? Yes That we are all connected, that what each well-intentioned person does individually and who is giving love (universal), is contributing to improve the world."

And yet...

"Have your religious beliefs/spiritual practices changed specifically as a result of your experience? No"
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In fact... even though many subscribers to the Bible are not aware of it, her above statements about connections are verified in the Judeo-Christian Bible. Found in the Book of Ezekiel, Old Testament, offering indication of the nature of God.
Ezekiel makes a statement therein on how the Voice of God sounds like the rushing of many waters.

Many Waters, and "Sea", in scripture, symbolizes masses of people.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/17-15.htm
"Then the angel said to me, "The waters where the prostitute is ruling represent masses of people of every nation and language."
Revelation 17

http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/43-2.htm
"And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory."
Ezekiel 43

In this we see how the "Religious" Book, the Bible, does not contradict the understanding of underlying connections that exist in humanity, and, "the World".

(Material) "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistant one." - Einstein
http://www.einsteinsworld.com/

We can see how the perception and perspective of religion being contrary to spirituality, or visa versa, is merely subjective opinion, and not based on actual fact.


Once again, the statements about the life changing affects of the NDE are reflective of Jesus' own words to the priest Nicodemus, in the Bible...
"You must be born again." Is this exclusive to the NDE alone?
Certainly not.

You are trying to put a Christian spin on NDEs Morpheus, which is fine for you, but is errant.
I have been an avid reader of the NDERF site for several years and it is clear that people of all faiths or none, whether Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims or Atheists, all have similar experiences.
I was reading one yesterday about a woman who was a Christian before her NDE but has since become a Pagan.

Here's a quote from an NDE I just read. The link to the full account is below.

Before the NDE I was a Sunday school teacher in a very strict fundamental church. After the NDE I knew that nothing was like I had always believed


http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/Bette's%20NDE.htm

And another:

it does not matter what religion you believe in, if any. We are but children in the eyes of God, and as children, we are allowed to make mistakes, we are allowed to play, we are allowed to rebel, as well as disbelieve. As long as you do what you believe and feel is the right thing to do (no matter what it is), then you will be looked upon in a good sense.

http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/Tim's%20NDE.htm