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[Phaelyn]

Originally Posted by sentient

Ok.
And then what?

The opposite of trying is not not trying as both involve a doer.

I'm turning into Carlos Castenada.

I think he wrote a lot about "not-doing."

http://www.alangullette.com/essays/philo/stopping.htm

[sentient]

Originally Posted by sky123

Yang Style Forms always start in Wu Wei which is just standing without any movement, not as a stance because you need to move to get into the stance.

Your grounding yourself into the earth like a tree and feeling/collecting the energy from the earth. Standing straight like a tree your also recieving the energy from the Heavens.

Oh .... Ok. Not a stance then ….
But, but, but … this is the general posture to start Tai Chi as well …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0wD8TYKpU

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[sky]

Originally Posted by sentient

Oh .... Ok. Not a stance then ….
But, but, but … this is the general posture to start Tai Chi as well …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0wD8TYKpU

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Your Video is Qigong not Tai Chi. Remember Tai Chi is a Martial Art, Qigong a Healing Art.


https://youtu.be/q43VN1YkrGE


He's the expert 4th Generation of the Yang Family.....
Note the stillness before his first move...

[sentient]

Originally Posted by sky123

Your Video is Qigong not Tai Chi. Remember Tai Chi is a Martial Art, Qigong a Healing Art.

Righhhht ... ok ...

But personally, such fuss was always made about the posture, very much akin to that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0wD8TYKpU
... and I honestly cannot see the difference, how we were instructed ...

Wu Chi is stillness .....

Great old video btw ...

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[sentient]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

The opposite of trying is not not trying as both involve a doer.

I'm turning into Carlos Castenada.

I think he wrote a lot about "not-doing."

http://www.alangullette.com/essays/philo/stopping.htm

You wrote your view. I thought it was good and comprehensible.

What has been/is your agenda, intent here?
To compare your view with the Buddhist views?
To share views? Discuss views?
To motivate others with your view?

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I trust here, we are discussing Buddhist and related views …..

Maybe I could write about the “Shamanic Worldview” (and I have a bit).
At one time (because of the witch hunts and all the collective traumas suffered) I re-entered into this World View, like entering Mandala.
I.e. I put this Worldview into my practice, to see how it worked and what would happen …. So I had a personal “Shamanic revival”.

The view in itself doesn’t mean much, unless we ‘practice’ it.
How would you put your view into further practice?
And to what aim?

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[sky]

Originally Posted by sentient

Righhhht ... ok ...

But personally, such fuss was always made about the posture, very much akin to that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0wD8TYKpU
... and I honestly cannot see the difference, how we were instructed ...

Wu Chi is stillness .....

Great old video btw ...

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Wu Wei – the art of doing without doing.
Wu Chi - Emptiness, stillness, nothingness.


Wu Chi refers to the condition when the body and spirit are not divided into Yin and Yang Components. In other words, the body is tranquil and is not affected by any contact with the outside world. The whole body, physical as well as spiritual, is united into oneness. When we talk about Wu Chi training, we are talking about the ability to remove all the body's tensions and other emotions guided by intent so that the practitioner can return to the stable and natural stage that is full of potential and innate ability. '

' Wu Chi Posture
To form a Wu Chi Posture, one begins with the feet parallel to the shoulders and the knees bent. The two arms on the side of the body are suspended without any tension. The fingers are relaxed and pointing forward. The two elbows are slightly bent. Therefore, the palms have a sense of pushing down and the arms are warding off outward. The head is upright. The lips and teeth are close together. The tongue touches the roof of the hard palate. The eyes are looking forward. '

So you start a Form in Wu Wei, then go into Wu Chi ( Bending the knees ) then Tai Chi begins to moves and divides itself into equal opposites, Yin/Yang...

I am referring to Tai Chi though not Qigong....

[sentient]

Originally Posted by sky123

So you start a Form in Wu Wei, then go into Wu Chi ( Bending the knees ) then Tai Chi begins to moves and divides itself into equal opposites, Yin/Yang...

I am referring to Tai Chi though not Qigong....

Riggggght – thanks.

Had collected quite a few Mantak Chia’s books and had meant to get into Qi Gong and every other Gong & Kung going …. for years.
Life however has had other ideas, and it is only now that ‘the time’ seems to be ripe and right.
So I am all ears.

I’ve got that Wu Chi covered however – in pictures and word explanations from Mantak Chia books.

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[Phaelyn]

We don't suddenly get away from the body and it's mind and it's conditioning because we have learned or seen something about our predicament. Because we have gotten an insight into ourselves. Because we have more self understanding. Every moment thought and mind is there for the purpose of capturing our attention and identification. So there is no "arriving." We must learn to carry higher awareness. We have to be alert and awake. Being aware of what I am doing, paying attention to, identifying with in this moment so that freedom from this way of being and experiencing is a realized potential.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by Phaelyn

We don't suddenly get away from the body and it's mind and it's conditioning because we have learned or seen something about our predicament.

You know Castaneda was a fraud?

He started off studying a lot of Native American stuff at the library, took a lot of hallucinogenics and later became a student of the martial artist Howard Y Lee.

That doesn’t mean he did not introduce valid topics for consideration though.

Another of his – worth considering:

The most difficult part about the warrior's way is to realize that the world is a feeling.
When one is not-doing one is feeling the world.

Now - what would/could you do with that info?
How would you put that into practice?

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[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by sentient

How would you put that into practice?

Practice a doing
Non-doing a becoming

How transparent is the filter
Of the supposed non-doer?