The Movie Screen Analogy

[Goldcup7]

Not sure if this helps. The mind can label things in the movie, such as cars, buildings, people, rivers, mountains, buildings etc. But these are not real. What is seen and known is always the screen, although it allows the appearance of something different and the appearance of separate forms. Individual forms (people, cars etc.) are not the screen. They do not exist. There is only the screen. Meaning there is only Consciousness.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Goldcup7

Not sure if this helps. The mind can label things in the movie, such as cars, buildings, people, rivers, mountains, buildings etc. But these are not real.

That these things are temporary or subject to change does not make them any less real. Your point rests on the conclusion that ''temporal is unreal'' but it is entirely a choice to view it as such.

[Goldcup7]

My point is really that nothing can truly be defined. It is the mind that defines limits. Imo there are no limits, although that is how the mind conceptualises the world. It is this issue with the wave and the ocean. Taking the analogy aside, there is not truly a wave that is a separate thing from the ocean. It is the mind that has labelled the wave as a thing. There is no wave. There is only the ocean.

[Starman]

The drop is in the ocean and the ocean is in the drop. There really is no
movie, just a dance of shadow and light. We may call the shadow a movie
and the light a projector, but one is but a distorted reflection of the other.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by Starman

The drop is in the ocean and the ocean is in the drop. There really is no
movie, just a dance of shadow and light. We may call the shadow a movie
and the light a projector, but one is but a distorted reflection of the other.

And (IMO), the shadow is there, because it's what the light 'wants'. Not wanting to partake in the created or identify with it, you do 'that' when it happens. It literally doesn't matter. It's a trick of time.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

The analogy is "a wave is Water and nothing but Water through and through, however Water is not a wave". It's a paradox mind cannot quite comprehend.

This is the irony about analogies and metaphors, one can use analogies and metaphors, to create irony or a paradox, when there is no paradox to begin with. If this is not a creation of mind, I do not know what is. A paradox, becomes an excuse, when someone does not fully and comepletely understand something, and/or a paradox is created, when the person adds or applies his/her own personal feeliings, biases, likes and dislikes to the analogy or metaphor.

[MikeS80]

Originally Posted by Altair

That these things are temporary or subject to change does not make them any less real. Your point rests on the conclusion that ''temporal is unreal'' but it is entirely a choice to view it as such.

When the mind has a view or perspective about something, what I put in Bold above is important.

There is a big difference between what is real and what is reality. A person who observes a sunrise or sunset, without taking into consideration the earth is rotating around the sun, will just observe and view the sun rising and setting in the sky, as being real and as being reality. I experience the same problem with spiritual analogies and metaphors. There is no real spiritual physically experienced solid foundation in spiritual analogies and metaphors, when for most people, the foundation of spiritual analogies and metaphors is an ultimate reality that is separate from physical reality, which is a creation of mind. The one reality, that is relative, common, and experienced by everyone is physical reality. This is why viewing that physical reality and ultimate reality as a whole, is important. A person can not experience ultimate reality, as a whole, by thinking that the physical reality is a dream or illusion.

Maybe someone is able to enlighten me by answering the following questions:

Is it really and honestly experiecing something, like ultimate reality, when a person only has an image of what ultimate reality is, inside the persons mind or head? If the answer is yes, then how is it any different than a fantasy? keep in mind, that a fantasy is neither real or reality. A dream is only real for the person whom is having the dream, but the dream is also illusory, not reality. Doesn't experiencing something, require the phyical interaction and observation of the facts of a solid foundation, isn't this posible to do without the measuring of time, space, and other physical illusions or maya?

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by MikeS80

This is the irony about analogies and metaphors, one can use analogies and metaphors, to create irony or a paradox, when there is no paradox to begin with.

Sure there's a paradox as in how can the many be One or the One appear as many. That is not anywhere near obvious and in fact it defies all logic and common sense and is contradictory - the very definition of paradox. The analogies attempt to point to a resolution of the paradox. That is we can't say exactly what It is, however we can say It has a resemblance to this.

[Goldcup7]

Imo 'the many' does not exist. There is only an appearance of many. That is the illusion or maya, that the One appears to have limits. On closer inspection there are no true limits. The One is just the One. Reality for me is this one Infinite Awareness. It is Awareness that knows or experiences the illusion of many, similar to how the mind imagines a dream, separating itself into a character and the dream world. But there is no true separation.

I'm not using the dream as an analogy there. It is rather that the mind dreaming is a small-scale repetition of the One's experience. A dream within a dream, if you like. But ultimately there is only reality. The illusion is the mistaken belief of what is.

[Altair]

Both sides exist. It’s just perspective.