Concepts : True or False ?

[psychoslice]

I think concepts are just human ideas, wrong or right, but in the bigger picture they really mean nothing.

That may be true but in the smaller picture they mean everything. Nazism, Communism, religion, modern science: all are or arose out of human concepts and have had an undeniably profound effect on almost every inhabitant of the earth throughout human history.

Originally Posted by not human

Good call. For example : I can say Topo you talk too much : the statement could be shown to be both valid & invalid upon perception, there can be instances to cite both cases.
To accept the concept that Topo talks too much one has too negate the times he doesn't talk too much.
I can't think of a concept that can be shown to be infallable. What I am looking at is that if this is correct then nothing can be valid or invalid only accepted or rejected.

There is a Buddhist saying " not always so " that implies a lack of certainty in any avenue taken. I don't know if I have the ability to convey this anymore clearly, hopefully I have if not so be it. Thanks

Indeed, I do talk to much. Probably why I've been talking less lately.

A concept is an idealization. One person can focus on how something is like the ideal, another can focus on how something is unlike the ideal. I think that all that is truly revealed is whether we have a penchant for being divisive or unitive in our communication. It comes down to what our motive is for opening our mouths. What we say is less relevant than why we say it.

Originally Posted by davec

That may be true but in the smaller picture they mean everything. Nazism, Communism, religion, modern science: all are or arose out of human concepts and have had an undeniably profound effect on almost every inhabitant of the earth throughout human history.

Aye, no one can deny their effect on humanity, but we can certainly call to question their benefit.

Originally Posted by Topology

Indeed, I do talk to much. Probably why I've been talking less lately.

A concept is an idealization. One person can focus on how something is like the ideal, another can focus on how something is unlike the ideal. I think that all that is truly revealed is whether we have a penchant for being divisive or unitive in our communication. It comes down to what our motive is for opening our mouths. What we say is less relevant than why we say it.

True & that is always changing. Sometimes you just need to let the puppy off the chain for awhile until he settles down, if that makes sense,

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by davec

That may be true but in the smaller picture they mean everything. Nazism, Communism, religion, modern science: all are or arose out of human concepts and have had an undeniably profound effect on almost every inhabitant of the earth throughout human history.

Yes belief systems and the protection of these concepts that are worth nothing, can be dangerous in the smaller picture, but again in the bigger picture, all is perfect just the way it is.

[NightSpirit]

What you've created here is a debate to your own mind. The interplay you get will be the brain's arguments put forward to unravel this thought and hopefully come to a final conclusion. Whether your final resting place on it, will sate you, is another thing nh.

Originally Posted by NightSpirit

What you've created here is a debate to your own mind. The interplay you get will be the brain's arguments put forward to unravel this thought and hopefully come to a final conclusion. Whether your final resting place on it, will sate you, is another thing nh.

Well with that on board NS I'd have to say not a chance. My origional motivation was a half thought out fluffy feel good venture into " lets embrace each others ideas & make a better world" good intentioned, poorly executed.

Originally Posted by not human

True & that is always changing. Sometimes you just need to let the puppy off the chain for awhile until he settles down, if that makes sense,

true, true, in our rambling we free ourselves of those half thoughts and musings that build up and make us itch to express. :)

[NightSpirit]

Originally Posted by not human

Well with that on board NS I'd have to say not a chance. My origional motivation was a half thought out fluffy feel good venture into " lets embrace each others ideas & make a better world" good intentioned, poorly executed.

I am never one to embrace a fluffy-feel-good venture nh and I would never suggest anyone else should either. My adreline rushes come from quantum material or racing my car, so I am the first to tackle the hardest of enquiries. Without the nh's, this forum wouldn't be worth my visiting it.

Good on you for attacking the deepest perplexities on your mind mate. I'm not sure that I fully understand your OP philosophy though so I'm withholding my input.