Thomas - truth from Christ - gnosis revealed

Originally Posted by GadGirl

Did anyone look at the scripture I posted

I saw the post, but was not familiar with that scripture.
Can you provide a reference to the actual scripture (i.e. book, chapter, verse) so I can read it myself?

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks..

Ketzer; Well at first she tried to say it was here in Thomas gospel - but no it isn't...lol...

The only other scripture she referenced was Timothy 6:20 - which as I say is nothing to do with Gnostics at all and everything to do with "rich powerful leaders" and how THEY treat the truth....

Originally Posted by Ab Origine

Hi Folks..

Ketzer; Well at first she tried to say it was here in Thomas gospel - but no it isn't...lol...

The only other scripture she referenced was Timothy 6:20 - which as I say is nothing to do with Gnostics at all and everything to do with "rich powerful leaders" and how THEY treat the truth....

Well, perhaps, but I would still like to hear from her as to what scripture she was trying to quote.

I always find it humorous that I know of a man who always had a bible quote handy for every occasion. He had gone to bible college so it was not surprising that this was where he got his responses to any question or statement on pretty much anything. His son followed in his footsteps (not bible college, but ended up working as a missionary). It drove him crazy when he would chime up and say "Did you know the bible says X?" and his son would interrupt and say "No, it says no such thing!" He was not trying to lie, he had just lost sight of the difference between what the bible says and what he thinks it means.

For many years it was against the law to translate the bible into any language other than Latin. That way only the church officials (the modern day Scribes and Pharisees) could tell you what it said. If they knew it well, they could always find something to support what they said, even if (and it often did) contradict something in another part of the bible (very versatile book, don't you think). Of course one did not need to know it that well as the peasants could not read and write in their own language, much less so Latin, so it became easier just to make things up, or take quotes out of context. Today, though most can read and write, and the bible is translated into their own language, most of the faithful have never actually read it and so the trick still works on the majority.
Just look at the modern day "Gospel of Prosperity" which teaches that if you are rich in this life, that is proof of your holiness and godliness and so God has rewarded you..... Timothy6:20??....to hell with that, I want my BMW and Gods going to get it for me. This is how the pauper preacher became the apologist for the prince.

[sky]

Originally Posted by ketzer

Well, perhaps, but I would still like to hear from her as to what scripture she was trying to quote.

I always find it humorous that I know of a man who always had a bible quote handy for every occasion. He had gone to bible college so it was not surprising that this was where he got his responses to any question or statement on pretty much anything. His son followed in his footsteps (not bible college, but ended up working as a missionary). It drove him crazy when he would chime up and say "Did you know the bible says X?" and his son would interrupt and say "No, it says no such thing!" He was not trying to lie, he had just lost sight of the difference between what the bible says and what he thinks it means.

For many years it was against the law to translate the bible into any language other than Latin. That way only the church officials (the modern day Scribes and Pharisees) could tell you what it said. If they knew it well, they could always find something to support what they said, even if (and it often did) contradict something in another part of the bible (very versatile book, don't you think). Of course one did not need to know it that well as the peasants could not read and write in their own language, much less so Latin, so it became easier just to make things up, or take quotes out of context. Today, though most can read and write, and the bible is translated into their own language, most of the faithful have never actually read it and so the trick still works on the majority.
Just look at the modern day "Gospel of Prosperity" which teaches that if you are rich in this life, that is proof of your holiness and godliness and so God has rewarded you..... Timothy6:20??....to hell with that, I want my BMW and Gods going to get it for me. This is how the pauper preacher became the apologist for the prince.

The Gospel of prosperity sounds more like the concept of Karma to me but twisted a little.

[Ab Origine]

108. Jesus said, "Whoever drinks from my mouth will become like me; I myself shall become that person, and the hidden things will be revealed to him."

Just as I have been saying throughout - we are to BECOME HIM LITERALLY - mind to HIS mind - spirit to HIS spirit... Understand His truth - look - GIVEN DIRECTLY - drink from MY MOUTH - not water, but TRUTH that He is giving freely - as opposed to "drink from my cup" - which is a CONTAINER for drinking from - (here in context cup would mean then the bible - a container for "truth") - so, then He is actually saying -take my truth form Me DIRECTLY - and DONT rely on any other source at all - understand that truth He gives DIRECTLY in the Holy Ghost communion, and BECOME Him He said in that process - and HE will become YOU - without any separation at all.. The Holy Ghost communion will become PERMANANT, moment to moment just as I said - it is an ENERGETIC process of TRANSFORMATION - being legitimately "born again".. ALL these spiritual mysteries WILL be revealed, He promises...

109. Jesus said, "The Father's kingdom is like a person who had a treasure hidden in his field but did not know it. And when he died he left it to his son. The son did not know about it either. He took over the field and sold it. The buyer went plowing, discovered the treasure, and began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."

This truth of my Fathers Kingdom He says - is lost to the generation that He directly instructed they fail to find His treasure - The Jews follow Yhvh and that is NOT Our Father - they did not understand fully.. The treasure, Christ truth, was IN the "field" right before them - in the WORLD right before them - but the Jews and THEIR religion did not recognise Him..

And His truth remains lost on those next generations who follow - ALL the OTHER religions that come after and still follow Yhvh and STILL fail to realise Christ truth (yhvh is not the Father).. The treasure - His truth - remains buried in the field that is the world - and the "sons" of the owner now inherit this field and gain authority, religious authority who had full control here in the field that is the world, for 1500 years - CATHOLIC and all its modern denominations - offspring, sons of Judaism and the Yhvh religion - they too had NO IDEA about this treasure they had missed - which is evidently true today is it not - just look at religious reaction to this thread to see clearly the bible types are clueless about Christ REAL truth..

No, because He goes on to say, this treasure - His truth - only becomes revealed again when NEW OWNERS take over and seek it out.. NEW owners who are not associated with the first owner and son at all - no associated family ties to the former truth - NEW owners have no former ties to Yhvh or ANY of its religions...Let it sink in Folks...

These new owners - again, this is ME and my brethren - NONE RELIGIOUS seekers of Christ truth - Gnostics as you label us - WE found His truth again (for you) - and we give it to you now and in so doing we bring great spiritual profit to ourselves (and to the world)..

110. Jesus said, "Let one who has found the world, and has become wealthy, renounce the world."

..........because lets face it Folks - we are GOING TO find the world, it is going to captivate us fully, ensnare us and make us seek a "wealth" of worldly mortal concerns - isn't it..??.. Don't go down that mortal path He says - renounce all that, mortal status here is worthless to you in eternal reality..

111. Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will roll up in your presence, and whoever is living from the living one will not see death." Does not Jesus say, "Those who have found themselves, of them the world is not worthy"?

Renounce the world and seek His truth - the heavens and the earth will become one reality as you gain this new Presence of the Holy Ghost - spiritual realm and mortal realm will merge, all rolled together as ONE REALITY and one direct experience.. As said, this is an energetic process that unites separate realms of spiritual existence and awareness - as you undertake this process you will encounter the spiritual realms directly, NOW, just as I have openly described...Become used to it as entirely normal - NATURAL - when you die the mortal death, you will be fully prepared - it will not then shock and confuse you as He warns elsewhere it surely will...

112. Jesus said, "Damn the flesh that depends on the soul. Damn the soul that depends on the flesh."

A warning about spiritual ignorance.. "Damn" your mortal life as you seek for the Soul (that you do not yet recognise)...Give up on the mortal life and seek the Soul out for you do DEPEND on it.. If you cling to mortal concerns then you damn yourself and will not find the Soul..

And visa versa - once you find your Soul - IT will be damned if you then turn your back and embrace the mortal concerns OVER it... Your Soul does NOT depend on the body - SEPERATE the two, and seek the Soul always.

113. His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."

A final reminder from Him - NOBODY can "lead you" to this truth...Your religion, certainly CAN NOT - He has given us lots and lots of examples telling us directly to shun avoid and have no association with religion, its false doctrines, rituals and practices - all aimed at a bogus god that is NOT Our Father..

When will this truth be revealed they ask..??..You DO NOT just sit back and wait for it to happen as RELIGION TEACHES (judgement day) !! My Fathers Kingdom is revealed RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW - but you people just fail to realise it yet...

And that is really what this entire Thomas gospel is about...TWO FOLD truth both equally ESSENTIAL - first part - is the destruction of the RELIGIOUS influence - come away from it completely... No more babbling prayers like pagans do - no fasting rituals - no bowing down worshipping grovelling praises - no never ending repeated catechisms - no TEMPLE - NO priest -NO intermediary of ANY kind 0 NONE AT ALL - just you and Christ, through the Holy Ghost phenomena, in DIRECT COMMUNION mind to mind, spirit to spirit...

The second equally crucial truth He delivered - IS that metaphysical energetic connection - the Holy Ghost itself - how to seek it - how to recognise it - what to expect as this happens - even what to expect AFTER mortal death - for as said - He is the SOURCE of all Creation - and He will take THIS mortal mind reading this post - and TRANSFORM it to match, become one with HIS Divine Presence - only and IF - we are willing to listen - and are brave enough to follow His truth revealed - delivered as always to those with ears to hear..

Amen...

Originally Posted by sky123

The Gospel of prosperity sounds more like the concept of Karma to me but twisted a little.

Hmmmm... perhaps twisted 180 degrees. Most of the people preaching it and following it would have, IMO, racked up some pretty serious negative karma points in this life. It is, IMO, what so much of organized religion is, a living breathing example of the dire need for the 3rd of the 10 commandments. Is it not ironic, that often those who preach the 10 commandants the loudest are the same ones violating the 3rd (and BTW often the others) the most. Odd how we set out in one direction and so often end up getting turned around and traveling in the other.

[Jeremy Bong]

When a person is possessed by demon, everything is as if connected to the highest one or creator but you don't know him and you never see him . That's only assumption or guessing with nothingness or emptiness.

Do you know what's mind to mind connection? That's impossible assumption. If ten thousands of people done as you said, mind to mind , spirit to spirit.. then Jesus will have to connect one to ten thousands of the mind and Spirits. Even God can't do it in full or maybe only one to one of mind to mind. But your saying that my understand of it will be --- to all minds. And you can hear all the thinking at once??? That's never happened. To read one's mind is connected. But your mind to mind notion is never happened.

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks...

Just to clarify - for those who may have been led astray there - mind to mind - is not "telepathy" as many may now think of it - its not like a "stage show" magic act lol - nothing childish or naïve...

Here in the real world - KNOWLEDGE is delivered DIRECTLY into the subconscious mind (as many know it) - there is no structured words necessarily, although at times I have indeed had such structured direct communication and even an actual voice that speaks - but ALWAYS with or without those elements there is WHOLE KNOWING - is the only phrase that seems to fit...

Like literally -there is a "core of truth", and EVERYTHING that pertains TO that truth and that helps to define it, is ALL delivered exactly all at once, whole, like a download, deep into the mind - it sits there, as I say, just like a MEMORY - something WHOLE and COMPLETE - LIVING truth - this of course,is GNOSIS....

Mind to Mind = AND spirit to spirit - BECOME ME - without ANY separation, is what He ACTUALLY did mean - for those with ears to hear..

[Ab Origine]

Hi Folks...

So that's interesting - learn something new every day - had never heard of this "prosperity gospel"...Despite what some may assume, I rarely glance at any scripture or spiritual text - this was entirely new to me.. Even a quick glance can see there is definitely something a miss there..

1. The Abrahamic covenant is a means to material entitlement.

2. Jesus’s atonement extends to the “sin” of material poverty.

3. Christians give in order to gain material compensation from God.

4. Faith is a self-generated spiritual force that leads to prosperity.

5. Prayer is a tool to force God to grant prosperity.


Juts a few criticisms from "scholars" who are supposed to know and be able to compare such things... Of course they judge all that by the Judaic standard and the bible that got manufactured from that first religion..

Now at first glance it seems to be a bit of a cross between "orthodox canon" base - with a liberal sprinkling of the new age safe bet, "the Secret" lol...wholly designed to "entice new followers" - who of course are always enticed to give over money - I bet there is some pyramid structured heirachy behind it and the aim is clearly MORTAL POWER and not spiritual...

[Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by Ab Origine

Hi Folks...

Just to clarify - for those who may have been led astray there - mind to mind - is not "telepathy" as many may now think of it - its not like a "stage show" magic act lol - nothing childish or naïve...

Here in the real world - KNOWLEDGE is delivered DIRECTLY into the subconscious mind (as many know it) - there is no structured words necessarily, although at times I have indeed had such structured direct communication and even an actual voice that speaks - but ALWAYS with or without those elements there is WHOLE KNOWING - is the only phrase that seems to fit...

Like literally -there is a "core of truth", and EVERYTHING that pertains TO that truth and that helps to define it, is ALL delivered exactly all at once, whole, like a download, deep into the mind - it sits there, as I say, just like a MEMORY - something WHOLE and COMPLETE - LIVING truth - this of course,is GNOSIS....

Mind to Mind = AND spirit to spirit - BECOME ME - without ANY separation, is what He ACTUALLY did mean - for those with ears to hear..

That's possessed by demon and he's inside you . You don't know what's mind to mind or spirit to spirit is what? You try to do for someone you know and has him ....? Someone or demon to you is easy but for you to others isn't that easy. Only with the help of demon may be that is possible.

If the demon is inside you and project another him on your head , that's the Holy Ghost of what you think is from creator. That's what I have captured. And up to now you said that's holy ghost. That's funny. You're layman on this joke or trick to you.

You have no dharma or Mana then he has not teaching you anything but just tell lies to you and you're trying into spread to others. And your holy ghost is that he trick you. You listen the voices is all from him. He can have gangs somewhere near you that's why you can listen to voices again after the one(s) I've captured.