What is the point of angels?

From a Gnostic view point they are the messenger of a false god as the true god does not need messengers or anything really. Within the essence of the true god, that is the source of what the material universe emanated from, there is no separation, no higher or lower existences, everything simply just is what it is; beautiful in its own right.

Where -- outside of the bible -- is there any inkling of proof that there is a separate spiritual race of beings with wings?

Originally Posted by AbbeyWilcox

I've heard that they are messengers of God, they record people's life stories, they intervene in people's lives, they carry out the will of God, etc.

But wouldn't God be able to do that? I mean, if He is all powerful, I don't understand why He would need angels to do stuff for him.

I don't know. For me, I would be more open to accepting a angels' help than God's help himself right in front of me. :o Now, that would be kinda scary..

Originally Posted by Holly

To understand what angels do and why they are there you have to get used to the idea of oneness. That is, the idea of God being EVERYTHING, not God being a distant being.
You're talking about God as distant, far removed entity, that the angels act on behalf of because he can't be here himself. That's not how it works. God is within everything, literally the universe comprises his body. God is the fabric of matter and creation that comprises the bodies, minds, souls of the angels. God is teaching the young Gods he's made (the souls that populate the cosmic body) to be God themselves.
When you talk to an angel, you're talking directly to God. That's true of a human too, except that a human is a LOWER VIBRATION within gods body, and so he doesn't have the perception of a HIGHER VIBRATION, like the angels do.
When people say the angels bring messages and record this and that - they're right. However, they've left out half the understanding. ALL souls are one with God, but angels (unlike souls in the lower creation) are old enough to be consciously aware of that connection and to allow the Gods plans for creation to unfold, and they do it by choosing to use their bodies, minds and souls to perform the correct actions at the correct time to change the manifest creation, under Gods guidance. God does have a plan - and it incorporates the free will actions of every soul, human and angel.
Humans will do this too, one day, probably in the next creation when we're old enough.

Holly what a wonderful explaination.

Originally Posted by Juanita

Where -- outside of the bible -- is there any inkling of proof that there is a separate spiritual race of beings with wings?

At this here place http://www.nibiruancouncil.com/html/carians.html there is a story about a race called the Carians also known as the bird people; though whether it is proof in any kind of way If nothing else I hope you enjoy the rambling of words.

The Carians are a race of birdlike Beings. At their most evolved state, the ruling class of the Carians resemble humans with eagle-like features and coloring.

Like the original Felines, the Carians first arrived in this universe when it was being created. A group of 45 came at the request of the Founders of this universe to help assist and oversee the Universal Game.

The Founders gave the Carians a new planet in the Orion constellation for their home. It was more tropical in design and featured an abundance of humid swamps and jungles. It also had more islands than large land masses.

Like the Felines, they were etheric and, therefore, had to develop physical bodies from the life forms evolving on the planet’s surface. Of course they chose the life form that would become the bird and over a period of hundreds of thousands of years, they developed bodies of varying colors and sizes.

The Carians were known for their unique affinity towards colored plumage and so created physical bodies that reflected their creative talent in this area. That is why the Carians have much more variety of size, shape and color in their race than do the Felines. They can be 12 feet tall or only a few inches in height.

Also like the Felines, a group of the original 45 Carians remained etheric and became a council that oversaw and managed the development of their brothers and sisters who chose to incarnate on the planet as part of the upgrading of their physical forms.

When their physical vehicles had reached a certain level of development, they began genetic crossing (something they had learned from the Felines) with certain reptiles that had evolved in the swamps and warmer regions of the planet. The result of this genetic program was the creation of a new hybrid race known to us as the Draconians. They were part Carian and part reptile.

In time the Draconians became more abundant in the royal line of Aln than the purebred Carians. And like the Felines, eventually the House of Aln would be peopled more by Draconians, and their first derivative the flying serpents (Snakes), than Carians.

By the time of the First Earth, Grand Experiment, the House of Aln was headed by a winged serpent known as Cobazar. Cobazar is the father of Jehowah. See The 3 Earths, for more on this.

The Carians are known for their sharp analytical abilities and organizational skills. A predominant character trait of the Carians is their need to maintain a good appearance and image at all times. They are good team players as long as the team structure involves discipline and strictly adhered to codes of conduct.

You will find a preponderance of Carians involved in the creation and maintenance of stargates, dimensional grids and magnetic fields through out our galaxy and universe. Their inherent analytical abilities make them well-suited for this kind of work.

They are also known for their militaristic capabilities and their star ships are more advanced than any in the universe. They held the majority of the military posts during the First Earth, Grand Experiment. It was a Carian commander that ruled over the vast fleet of star ships and cruisers for the Lyran Galactic Federation, and the Royal Houses of Avyon and Aln.

It also says this which is quite interesting (in many ways):

The Carians would represent the Dark and the Felines would represent the Light.

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what is the point of human beings?.....another question to ponder......

We all come from the same place as Angels and guides and whatever else....we manifest into human form when on this planet (not sure if we all do but the humans that are here do)....Angels help us through the incarnation and watch over us so that we don't come to an early demise or encourage us with love even if we don't consciously realise it, they stay with us always, well the guardian one does at least, and others come with just a thought for them......they come to us in our final hours and watch and guide our soul back home, if that is where it is going, not sure if we all make it directly to 'home' maybe some go to the basement or the corners where light is sparse, for awhile until we recognise our true light within....even in the basement, they watch over us waiting for a signal that we've had enough down there......they're familiar to us all because we know them, but we just forget mostly when we incarnate, but as loads of us realise on this forum, we've become aware of who we truly are and are working in different stages of knowing and remembering and Angels are with us all the way, and I am so glad God allows us that gift......

[Thunder Bow]

Originally Posted by Holly

LOL, yes, that's similar to what we tell ourselves about animals, isn't it? We say 'they're not an intelligent as we are, they're not "sentient", they don't count as higher forms of life.'

It makes us all feel a lot better about ourselves if we're the highest form of life in creation. It makes us feel a lot safer.

I like the idea of Oneness, for we all are part of the Universe. However, I feel there are no "Levels". Humans ARE Animals and all have Spirit. There are many different Animals in the Universe. The Universe builds life everywhere. Intelligence is is just higher brain function, it is not Spirit.

Originally Posted by Holly

To understand what angels do and why they are there you have to get used to the idea of oneness. That is, the idea of God being EVERYTHING, not God being a distant being.

You're talking about God as distant, far removed entity, that the angels act on behalf of because he can't be here himself. That's not how it works. God is within everything, literally the universe comprises his body. God is the fabric of matter and creation that comprises the bodies, minds, souls of the angels. God is teaching the young Gods he's made (the souls that populate the cosmic body) to be God themselves.

When you talk to an angel, you're talking directly to God. That's true of a human too, except that a human is a LOWER VIBRATION within gods body, and so he doesn't have the perception of a HIGHER VIBRATION, like the angels do.

When people say the angels bring messages and record this and that - they're right. However, they've left out half the understanding. ALL souls are one with God, but angels (unlike souls in the lower creation) are old enough to be consciously aware of that connection and to allow the Gods plans for creation to unfold, and they do it by choosing to use their bodies, minds and souls to perform the correct actions at the correct time to change the manifest creation, under Gods guidance. God does have a plan - and it incorporates the free will actions of every soul, human and angel.

Humans will do this too, one day, probably in the next creation when we're old enough.

So, if you'll allow me to grossly oversimplify this, on a metaphorical staircase of God consciousness, angels are on a high stair than humans?

Originally Posted by knightofalbion

Angels are beings further up the spheres of Light than ourselves.

What is the point of them? A source of aspiration for one thing.
More importantly it is incumbent on the more spiritually evolved to help and care for the less spiritually evolved.
Angels are honour bound to help mankind, as mankind is honour bound to help the Animal Kingdom - though this seems to have gone out of the window with most people...

The aspiration thing makes sense. It is relatively easier to try to be angel-like than to try to be God-like, in terms of human comprehension.

From a Gnostic view point they are the messenger of a false god as the true god does not need messengers or anything really. Within the essence of the true god, that is the source of what the material universe emanated from, there is no separation, no higher or lower existences, everything simply just is what it is; beautiful in its own right.

Yea see that's what I was thinking - a true god wouldn't need angels to do his/her/its bidding.