Noah and the Ark

The story of the flood is not only found in the Bible.

Bible readers must either ignore and reject actual knowledge and indisputable evidence, or else admit that the Flood story is of far greater antiquity than the Biblical account and is universal, being found in every part of the earth and among all peoples, East and West, North and South.

To read more go here:

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/...xt-edge.htm#b9

[Morpheus]

I've attended to this elswhere, concerning finding of the British Royal Society's research into the denser atmosphere in antiquity.
There is the theory that the planet was a much more closed system, with a rich atmosphere, and, that the source water for the Flood was the icy covering around the planet, which was melted.

The Royal Society had found that the greatly larger lifeforms were a consequence of this rich atmosphere.
Then, there is the discussions on Giants, in humanity also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA_l...eature=related

[Reverend Keith]

Originally Posted by Bluegreen

The story of the flood is not only found in the Bible.

To read more go here:

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/...st/xt-edge.htm

And yet we shouldn't overplay the universality of the flood story. Many cultures don't have a flood myth. Most of Europe, Africa, Central and Northern Asia, Japan, etc. In some cases, the flood myths of other cultures are quite unrelated in details to the story in the Bible and Mesopotamia. After all, bad floods happen in many places in the world. In other cases, there is a clear derivation.

If there had been a world-wide flood with only a few human survivors, we would have expected the flood story to be universal and nearly identical. But we don't find that. The flood of Bible was probably catastrophic to the local cultures. But it was local.

[Triner]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

I've attended to this elswhere, concerning finding of the British Royal Society's research into the denser atmosphere in antiquity.
There is the theory that the planet was a much more closed system, with a rich atmosphere, and, that the source water for the Flood was the icy covering around the planet, which was melted.

The Royal Society had found that the greatly larger lifeforms were a consequence of this rich atmosphere.
Then, there is the discussions on Giants, in humanity also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmA_l...eature=related

You've got to be kidding. That vid takes a bunch of hoax pictures (many from worth1000, a yearly image hoax contest, see here for one of them) surrounds them with Bible versus, and all of a sudden people believe them?

[Adrienne]

Wow, I had no idea there was so much research and variety of stories about Noah and the Ark. Very interesting to read. Just amazes me, how one story can be so different.

[Adrienne]

Rev. Keith, thank you for sharing your " doublets " on the flood story , both very interesting to read.

[Morpheus]

You've got to be kidding. That vid takes a bunch of hoax pictures (many from worth1000, a yearly image hoax contest, see here for one of them) surrounds them with Bible versus, and all of a sudden people believe them?

Triner, of course there will be hoaxes, seems people don't have enough to do with their time regarding YouTube. Still doesn't change the Truth, either.
Including the earlier reports of the 20th century, and accounts before.

Because there are UFO hoaxes, does it mean the situation doesn't exist, given the volume of reports from respectable professionals, and honest people? Sure there is no disinformation on the matter?
Concerning the Proceedings of the Royal Society's research though, and related?
Interested in, "debunking", that?

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2010/03/04/rspb.2010.0001.full -

I guess you don't subscribe either to Cremo's "Forbidden Archaeology", also.
Good for you.

"ScienceDaily (Oct. 29, 2010) —
The giant dragonflies of ancient Earth with wingspans of up to 70 centimeters (28 inches) are generally attributed to higher oxygen atmospheric levels in the atmosphere in the past.
New experiments in raising modern insects in various oxygen-enriched atmospheres have confirmed that dragonflies grow bigger with more oxygen, or hyperoxia.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101029132924.htm

“More than 300 million years ago, there was 31 to 35 percent oxygen in the air,” Dr. Kaiser said.

“That means that the respiratory systems of the insects could be smaller and still deliver enough oxygen to meet their demands, allowing the creatures to grow much larger.”

"Dr. Kaiser and his team plan to conduct similar studies in the future using more ancient species such as dragonflies, since beetles and fruit flies are considered relatively “new” species in comparison."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070806112323.htm

Monstrously Big Ant' Fossil Found in Wyoming ... - LiveScience
http://www.livescience.com/14008-giant-ant-fossil.html -

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/hominids/2012/01/did-bigfoot-really-exist-how-gigantopithecus-became-extinct/

"With only dentition to go on, it’s hard to piece together what this animal was like. But based on comparisons with gorillas and other modern apes, researchers estimate Gigantopithecus stood more than 10 feet tall and weighed 1,200 pounds (at most, gorillas only weigh 400 pounds)."

[Adrienne]

Originally Posted by Mind's Eye

It could have been based on some factual events as Rev. Keith said. But the important thing is what the story represents spiritually.

The Ark represents a place of safety within the Divine Mind.. The animals being gathered two by two represent our beast like thoughts and the natural inclinations of man. When we gather them into the Ark, it shows that we are willing to rise in consciousness and take our thoughts in a higher direction. So we corral them into the Ark and begin to domesticate them instead of letting them run away with us in negative/fearful directions all the time. In a sense, it shows that we are to "sort " our thoughts out and begin to control our thoughts instead of our thoughts controlling us.

Water in the Bible usually represents Spirit; so the Ark rising upon the waters shows that once we learn to control our thoughts and concentrate more on Divine Truth, we will rise in consciousness above the mundane thoughts of the material world... Hence our beast like thoughts are transformed within us and take on a higher nature. This is the place of safety and peace;it is also the state of mind where anything becomes possible, because our world is being made new... "Behold all things are made new, old things have passed away" Jesus Christ.

Most interesting interpretation Mind's Eye ! Somehow I was focusing more on the story of Noah's Ark with a more basic, childlike story version. Probably because I never read any other versions. Sheds a new light on an old story. Thank you.

Dream Angel xx

[Triner]

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Triner, of course there will be hoaxes, seems people don't have enough to do with their time regarding YouTube.

Ain't dat da truth. You can find a lot of nonsense on YouTube as well as a lot of interesting vids.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

Still doesn't change the Truth, either.
Including the earlier reports of the 20th century, and accounts before.

Because there are UFO hoaxes, does it mean the situation doesn't exist, given the volume of reports from respectable professionals, and honest people? Sure there is no disinformation on the matter?
Concerning the Proceedings of the Royal Society's research though, and related? Interested in, "debunking", that? ...

Nope. Lot's of good research there.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

I guess you don't subscribe either to Cremo's "Forbidden Archaeology", also. Good for you.

Don't know enough about his work to either bunk or debunk it. I'll read a bit about it now that you've mentioned it.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

...“More than 300 million years ago, there was 31 to 35 percent oxygen in the air,” Dr. Kaiser said.

“That means that the respiratory systems of the insects could be smaller and still deliver enough oxygen to meet their demands, allowing the creatures to grow much larger.”
...

I'm familiar with that research. There's loads of good evidence support that theory, fossils, chemical records. So I'm of the opinion that the theory is correct.

Originally Posted by Morpheus

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/hominids/2012/01/did-bigfoot-really-exist-how-gigantopithecus-became-extinct/

"With only dentition to go on, it’s hard to piece together what this animal was like. But based on comparisons with gorillas and other modern apes, researchers estimate ...

Now you've mixed eras. The previous, giant insect research you mentioned showed evidence from sometime on the order of 300 million years ago. Gigantopithecus existed near 1 million to 300,000 years ago. One doesn't support the other. The Earth change massively during those 300 million years. Similarly, the existence of Gigantopithecus doesn't support the claims of humanoids existing 300 million years ago. Something in the fossil record showing humanoid bones from 300 million years ago would support that.

Originally Posted by Triner

Ain't dat da truth. You can find a lot of nonsense on YouTube as well as a lot of interesting vids.



Nope. Lot's of good research there.



Don't know enough about his work to either bunk or debunk it. I'll read a bit about it now that you've mentioned it.



I'm familiar with that research. There's loads of good evidence support that theory, fossils, chemical records. So I'm of the opinion that the theory is correct.



Now you've mixed eras. The previous, giant insect research you mentioned showed evidence from sometime on the order of 300 million years ago. Gigantopithecus existed near 1 million to 300,000 years ago. One doesn't support the other. The Earth change massively during those 300 million years. Similarly, the existence of Gigantopithecus doesn't support the claims of humanoids existing 300 million years ago. Something in the fossil record showing humanoid bones from 300 million years ago would support that.

O come on now, you people, let's bring this debate back down to the earth of reality.

Do you think that the people of the pre-flood days who handed down the biblical flood story, knew that the circumference of the earth was almost 25,000 miles, or knew how many continents and islands there are on this earth? And if not, just how big do you think that their known world was?

According to the OT, it was some 400 year after the flood that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and the daughters of the righteous Lot, believed, that of every man in the whole wide world, their father was the sole survivor.

The animals that were taken into the ark, would have been those, which were chosen from the animals that had been forced to flee from the rising water to the higher ground upon which Noah would have presumably built the ark, which animals would have only been those of his known world, that was flooded around the year 2350 BC.