Ego and subconscious

[Belle]

Ego is vital. because of ego you are alive. Ego - at it's most primative form is your ability to attract attention to your parents / carers when you are tiny so they feed you, tend you, nurse you. Then, as you become a little cleverer, it's your ability to manipulate, to flirt, and so on.

However, unchecked and unmanaged, it becomes out of control and instead of being your "friend" and supporter, and protector, it becomes - well out of control and not very nice.

one rule of life is to re-acquaint yourself with your ego so that you and ego work hand in hand in harmony, so it harms neither you nor others.

Conciousnesss of ego is painful but necessary. It's not about breaking the ego, it's about healing the ego so it is safe and controlled and a positive force in your life.

[Miss Hepburn]

I usually can only read about ego because it confuses me as to what it is!!!

What I do know in a simplistic way is...if I feel bad ... with pride, hurt feelings,
indignation, anger, fear, jealousy (mainly hurt feelings the others have fallen away,
for me now)...I know that is not "me" , who I really am.
It is ego rearing it's ugly head...anything that does not feel good to me is ego.
Anything that feels wonderful...is who I really am.

So, I practice squashing the ego often should it have pride or feel someone
was rude to me...I say..."I must have deserved that, thank you , Lord."...it replaces hurt, indignation, anger...lots of things.

Blame is from the ego, pointing fingers is from the ego, I have found....and ick.

Ah, the freedom!

[Gem]

People just take the word 'ego' and pretend there's an entity there, but in fact, everyone has a self image. If it's possible to embrace that image then more power to ya, this ego isn't a problem, but if it's rejected outright then of course it's gonna be a burr in yer butt... though I think it's worth considering, that despite all pretenses to the contrary, each person has particular life issues which cause them duress...

The problem we really create here with this ego rhetoric is we envisage a undesired aspect and attribute it to the persona, and I don't see how that enhances the ability to be all embracing.

Most or it is all just an imaginary game and there isn't any ego any more than there's an Easter Bunny, and in the end, a person isn't anything more than self perception. The fundamental problem underlying this, is the notion of truth, as that notion implies the self perception is externally validated.

By now, because of the brainwash condition of spirituality, it's assumed that there is actually an ego, but where did it come from really? I have meditated with traditional Buddhist instruction and it wasn't mentioned in those texts. Rather, they speak of habitual behaviours such as reactions aversion desire, not of entities that inhabit the psyche.

Psychoanalysis, which is only about 200 years old, and 'ego' (term from Freudian theory) meant the development of individuals' personality, not seen as a bad thing, but if trauma caused disfunction at any developmental stage, the person fixates on that, and doesn't move past it unless the issue is revisited and resolved.

What happens is a word becomes am entity, it has to represent something, but unlike a tree of a rock, there's no ego lying around the backyard, so the inventive mind creates an associative framework in order contextualize the noun.

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Hermes

Can someone draw a good line for me here. The ego can be both unconscious and conscious. How does the ego fit into the conscious( will), subconscious( power) template? So far it seems to me that the ego is me and my relationship to others, and my identifications to objects.

A "me" (ego) that relates to the outside world is a separate self. It also gives A sense of individuality.
Subconscious and ego are both mental structures or functions, imo.
The relationship between the two is that the ego is epiphenomenon of the subconscious.
Will power seemed to me like the movement of consciousness whereas subconscious are the patterns that determine its movements and the ego generally is the by product

[hybrid]

Originally Posted by Belle

. It's not about breaking the ego, it's about healing the ego so it is safe and controlled and a positive force in your life.

Wellsaid.
Ramana put it from the christian metaphor as like this . . .
Ego is jesus.
The body is the cross

putting the ego to death by crucifying to the body.
What is left is the true self or christ consciousness.
And what is called the ressurection.

I think that ego is, on the one hand, our persona, self esteem, how we think we are perceived by others; on the other hand it is our self confidence, how we perceive ourselves and what makes us certain that we are right and have all the answers.....lol-----probably all of the above...

Spiritual master Param Pujya Dada Bhagwan has given a very nice and simple understanding about what is ego and how does it arise?
Let me share this knowledge with you.

He says that :

It is the ego, which finally endorses what the intellect decides with the mind. As long as the ego does not endorse the decision, no action will take place. The intellect is the light of the Self that comes through the medium of the ego and so when the intellect makes any decision, the ego as a rule becomes involved and the action will take place.

‘I am Chandulal’* is the greatest ego and the ultimate ego according to the Gnani(enlightened one). It is the basis of the world’s existence. Liberation can only be achieved upon the demise of this ego. The foundation of life exists on the belief of ‘I am’. ‘I am pure Soul’ is the purity of the ego and it is the only instrument that leads to liberation.

In reality ‘you’ the Self does not die. It is the ego that dies and takes birth again. Death does not occur until the ego endorses it.

*replace your name with Chandulal.

Wow...!! what an amazing explanation and understanding about ego...

[running]

Thanks for posting this. I enjoyed reading it!

Originally Posted by spiritualseeker13

Spiritual master Param Pujya Dada Bhagwan has given a very nice and simple understanding about what is ego and how does it arise?
Let me share this knowledge with you.

He says that :

It is the ego, which finally endorses what the intellect decides with the mind. As long as the ego does not endorse the decision, no action will take place. The intellect is the light of the Self that comes through the medium of the ego and so when the intellect makes any decision, the ego as a rule becomes involved and the action will take place.

‘I am Chandulal’* is the greatest ego and the ultimate ego according to the Gnani(enlightened one). It is the basis of the world’s existence. Liberation can only be achieved upon the demise of this ego. The foundation of life exists on the belief of ‘I am’. ‘I am pure Soul’ is the purity of the ego and it is the only instrument that leads to liberation.

In reality ‘you’ the Self does not die. It is the ego that dies and takes birth again. Death does not occur until the ego endorses it.

*replace your name with Chandulal.

Wow...!! what an amazing explanation and understanding about ego...

[lemex]

Originally Posted by Gem

People just take the word 'ego' and pretend there's an entity there....

Not clear with your statement of pretense. Ego is of course "I".

No pretense, I exist. "I" am and "You" are. Are you actually saying I and You do not or merely we don't see the entity there through all our pretending (Influences).

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by spiritualseeker13

Spiritual master Param Pujya Dada Bhagwan has given a very nice and simple understanding about what is ego and how does it arise?
Let me share this knowledge with you.

He says that :

It is the ego, which finally endorses what the intellect decides with the mind. As long as the ego does not endorse the decision, no action will take place. The intellect is the light of the Self that comes through the medium of the ego and so when the intellect makes any decision, the ego as a rule becomes involved and the action will take place.

‘I am Chandulal’* is the greatest ego and the ultimate ego according to the Gnani(enlightened one). It is the basis of the world’s existence. Liberation can only be achieved upon the demise of this ego. The foundation of life exists on the belief of ‘I am’. ‘I am pure Soul’ is the purity of the ego and it is the only instrument that leads to liberation.

In reality ‘you’ the Self does not die. It is the ego that dies and takes birth again. Death does not occur until the ego endorses it.

*replace your name with Chandulal.

Wow...!! what an amazing explanation and understanding about ego...

I like and agree with that explanation ..

x daz x