True Self.

[naturesflow]

[quote=Jeremy Bong]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Between you and Ryan windy there appears this pre occupation to make things *right* according to your knowledge.

Do you feel that as someone walking aware within this knowledge experiencing the knowledge more into being it, that you would not be submitting yourself to these kind of back and forth right and wrong aspects of knowledge within both of you?

It seems to me through observation that many of you being in this mode are trapped by the system of knowledge itself?

And that to me signals unnecessary attachments within itself.

naturesflow,

I think generally we view things at different angles most of the times. How we get them right is our concern.

Sure we do. It is the need to get them right that often strikes its face that I notice can open up this contradictory relating. Within the practice and knowledge there is still the one being in all this as the practice. If you are knowledgeable and aware of your practice as it teaches you, there is still you within that awareness and how you relate and share all that. What I see is that the knowledge in this way, leads the one seeking to relate it, as simply knowledge and that is it. There seems to be no experience speaking of it as itself being that knowledge leaving space or room to become it.

Viewpoints at different angles with different supporting knowledge is essential for a nearly right answer. It's especially Buddhism at different regional cultivating by human through ages on earth.

Of course you can use knowledge to support your angles or views, but when you use it without becoming it, it is just empty words conveying someone else's knowledge. And then as we see most often, people fighting over knowledge and corrections of the practice, rather than blending this in themselves to becoming everything that is being conveyed more complete of itself. I can see the self caught up in knowledge and never fully grasping the real meaning of it as more direct experience to know it more complete.

What I want to say is they are: Hindu Buddhism,Thailand Buddhism, China Buddhism, Tibetan Buddhism, Japanese Buddhism, Korean Buddhism, American Buddhism..... I think they added certain elements of practices to their own regional Buddhism that's for sure.

Chinese Buddhism or social practices about worshipping of Gods are mingling together as a piece of worship sometimes. A lot of them are not Buddhism (but I can't give you any example). They are just social general pieces of worship of Gods.

When we go to the cosmos they are quite similar to the worship of Gods in China. Whatever they can learn they do learn so the only difference is their dharma level and positions or rankings among them. Or only good and bad is their differences. Not much about how to practice certain religion or dharma.....Gods are almost omniscient and it depends highly of their dharma.

I have no issues with people having beliefs or worshipping, but when I see people conveying knowledge without personal experience as an integrated state of awareness through becoming all this and then seeing them correcting others or showing the way, it is rather absurd to me.

It feels like the blinded by knowledge are leading those blinded by knowledge and then you get blinded knowledge that cant see themselves in all that... But that is just my perception of course.

[sky]

Originally Posted by jonesboy

Okay Sky you are right and everyone else is wrong including Taoism.com

There is no progression in qigong, no 3 treasures and Shen isn't part of it.

Everyone is wrong but you.

Happy?

You are twisting my words around again, I have never said any of the above.
You said Chi is converted and I asked you, you yourself, what it is converted into, you then copy & paste info from various sites which don't mention what Chi is converted into in Qigong NOT Neigong...
You are jumping from Neigong to Qigong and inventing your own system.

You are beating around the bush,

[sky]

Originally Posted by Gem

Awesome. I practiced martial arts for a time, and was really taken by that aspect of it.

What did you practise Gem ?

[RyanWind]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

correcting others or showing the way, it is rather absurd to me.

Then why do you do that all the time? You see yourself as absurd?

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RyanWind

Then why do you do that all the time? You see yourself as absurd?

Twist away...

Those hips might get a work out.

[RyanWind]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Twist away...

Those hips might get a work out.

Yup more absurd posts lol. Maybe you can learn something from Buddha:

What we think, we become. Buddha

You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger. Buddha

There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting. Buddha

[RyanWind]

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Of course you can use knowledge to support your angles or views, but when you use it without becoming it, it is just empty words conveying someone else's knowledge.I can see the self caught up in knowledge and never fully grasping the real meaning of it.

It makes more sense when you own it instead of projecting it on imaginary people. Like:

Originally Posted by naturesflow

Of course I can use knowledge to support my angles or views, but when I use it without becoming it, it is just empty words conveying someone else's knowledge. I can see myself caught up in knowledge and never fully grasping the real meaning of it.

There is more truth stating it that way. Less egotistic arrogance and condescending vanity as well.

It's a good exercise to stop saying "you" and say me or I. Because really that is who is saying it. Your beliefs and subjective opinions ("observations") only exist in your thoughts, nobody else's.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RyanWind

Yup more absurd posts lol. Maybe you can learn something from Buddha:

What we think, we become. Buddha

You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger. Buddha

There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting. Buddha

More knowledge without showing any trace of understanding in practice for real, your sharing couldn't be more apparent that your a young'un , so what more can an older more aware and wise person say to someone in your league?

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RyanWind

It makes more sense when you own it instead of projecting it on imaginary people. Like:



There is more truth stating it that way. Less egotistic arrogance and condescending vanity as well.

It's a good exercise to stop saying "you" and say me or I. Because really that is who is saying it. Your beliefs and subjective opinions ("observations") only exist in your thoughts, nobody else's.

When YOU own it.

Practice what you preach and teach.

I learn nothing from you because, quite frankly your a ripple of contradiction that tells me you have much to learn.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by RyanWind

Then why do you do that all the time? You see yourself as absurd?

Ok I looked up the definition of Absurd.... yea now the strange things you post makes sense.

Dictionary: Absurd:
wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate
preposterous, ridiculous, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, risible, idiotic, stupid, foolish, silly, inane

Oh clearly your showing your age again.

But that is ok

I am clear

In what I am dealing with