Religious or Spiritual?

[LadyMay]

Originally Posted by elisi

i'm not sure i believe jesus was the son of god-i'm more apt to think he was an ascended master here to put us on the right path.

regardless, i believe jesus was a very spiritual person but almost immediately, men ignored his teaching and made up their own which led us away from spirituality.

I agree with this also. Jesus was an enlightened prophet/saint/master, ect. We're all sons and daughters of God. That was his message.

[Baile]

Originally Posted by ScarlettHayden

I see the story of Jesus that too. But I see it all from a place of Love. Jesus was the personification of Love. Through this we can see that love itself is creation. When we love- we create.

Yes, absolutely. And ultimately that's all everything comes down to. I do though have a desire to know specific things and explore ideas. That's the only reason I even ask myself these questions.

Originally Posted by Wagner

Greetings, LadyTerra. :)

I am curious as to which order or tradition might label such individuals "High Adept"?

For what it is worth, the types of people you describe who are condescending towards others in such a manner have fallen far short of the mark in regards to spiritual endeavors. At least I could do not but assume so!!

Peace. :)

Greetings Wagner--it is very nice to meet you.

You and I are in agreement concerning people who believe themselves to be "better than". I (personally) do not recognize this type of concept as fact...for I have yet to meet a perfect person...beginning w/ and including myself (of course).

An example of my definition of a High Adept...would be an Ascetic...one who can perform miracles...not parlor tricks. To my way of thinking a person like this may come along only once--or twice--a millennium.

As for any Order--or Tradition--that might label--or define--something the way I do...I really have no clue. I form my own conclusions and trust that others are capable of doing (likewise) without any assistance from me.

Peace and Love on the path of experiencing your own journey and forming your own conclusions...

Blessed be...

Ever your friend,

LadyTerra

[Baile]

Originally Posted by LadyTerra

I form my own conclusions and trust that others are capable of doing (likewise) without any assistance from me.

Wish I could remember that always. Such a great perspective.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by Baile

What's happening in new age forums is it's becoming vogue to not have an opinion one way or the other. That way one is always right, everyone is equally enlightened, my religion is the same as your spirituality, etc. and so forth. People don't care to penetrate too deeply into these questions is why I guess.

Actually it would be a nice change if people started seeing those who believe differently as equals instead of the usual spiritual superiority and resentment. It's not even close to becoming popular though. Seeing others as equals instead of division is not such a bad thing, but I guess it would be to those who thrive on division.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by ScarlettHayden

These things are important for growth.

So because we have division in the world, relating to things like genocide and racism, and they are important for growth, we should divide the world into enlightened and unenlightened?

Originally Posted by ScarlettHayden

We're all sons and daughters of God. That was his message.

... yes yes ....

[LadyMay]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

So because we have division in the world, relating to things like genocide and racism, which are important for growth, we should feel ok dividing the world into enlightened and unenlightened. Interesting.

As I said before I am not dividing anything. Just noting what is already perceived as divided.

[Seawolf]

Originally Posted by ScarlettHayden

As I said before I am not dividing anything. Just noting what is already perceived as divided.

Well, you said that the world is made up of enlightened people and unenlightened people. I would say that you are dividing, because it's an opinion, not fact. If I were to say that people have different skin color, I would be stating fact.

Of course you're free to have any opinion you want, and seeing others as being unenlightened certainly occurs throughout all religions because we're all human.

[LadyMay]

Originally Posted by Seawolf

Well, you said that the world is made up of enlightened people and unenlightened people. I would say that you are dividing, because it's an opinion, not fact. If I were to say that people have different skin color, I would be stating fact.

Of course you're free to have any opinion you want, and seeing others who we perceive as different being unenlightened certainly occurs throughout all religions because we're all human.

I said there is a scale. Some people are more aware than others. That is a fact. Or are you saying I can't prove it because there is no physical evidence like with skin tone? I want to see your counter argument for why you don't believe in 'enlightenment', apparently.