Angels , jinn, and humans

they may not be on the wrong path... didnt say that. if they believ in god and do good things and increase there virtues and destroy theere vices.. then they are on the right path

the information i have given should clear things up about potential spiritual expereinces they are probably having on this stage of there journey.

its what this sectionon angels and guides needed in my opinioni.

you will pass this phase faster... and reach the next spiritual plane instead of being trapped... in angels and guides land...

i did say they had traits which inclined me to beleive they were on the path of sorcery

deception, etc... demon worship, to say satan was a fallen angel is a very dangerous belief to possess. t can have drastic consequences on ones spiritual growth and direction

Originally Posted by Gr4ssh0pp3r

Jesus defeated Satan.

all prophets, messnsgers, and saints willhave to fight satan.

jesus beat him of course,

didnt kill him.

even in this age, the saints when they get good enough , satan will attack them directly. they will be tested.

i need to pray :)

Originally Posted by siddique the mystical

i need to pray :)

Good idea.

Originally Posted by siddique the mystical

WE the people of god, declare this.,

every single community that has ever lived was given the truth by their prophet or messenger.
that means red indians had it
indians had it
"pagans had it"
africans had it
jews had it
chinese had it
...

it was conveyed to them in their own language in a way that they understood. written. or orally passed .

through outv the ages, differertn commnuities recievbed the truth at differetn times.

the quranic revelation is just the lastest one.
preserved.

you fan study shamanism,,, and get some truth out of it..
but if its true it will be in the quran also.

poeple, especially kings that wanted power used religion to subdue poeple.

that was wrong.

true spirituality in a spiritually inclined society with rules to make sure people stay good is the goal of religion.

the bee hive without rules would not produce any honey.

or wax.

there would be chaos... bees flying anywhere and everywhere...

The Quran speaks against practicing magic and such, therefore the Quran discredits your very words about studying Shamanism. You speak of rules, but already you have opinions of your own that are outside of the Holy Books... and that naturally is a good thing.

But if we adhered to the laws and truths of the Holy Books, we would not study anything accept the Holy Books... and pretty much everything is condemned in them.

A funny thing is, the Bible is filled with people who practiced divination; even the followers of Christ used divination at times. Yet we are told all divination is of Satan. That is just one way that religion uses it's influence to keep people under their ruling thumb.

The beehive without rules will produce no honey; but what if the bees were to enslave crickets and tell them it was their divine duty to work for the bees? And worse yet, what if the crickets were told that they were bees, and to think otherwise was the work of some sinister insectoid satan? The crickets would certainly obey out of fear... but that would not make them bees.

Originally Posted by Mind's Eye

The Quran speaks against practicing magic and such, therefore the Quran discredits your very words about studying Shamanism. You speak of rules, but already you have opinions of your own that are outside of the Holy Books... and that naturally is a good thing.

But if we adhered to the laws and truths of the Holy Books, we would not study anything accept the Holy Books... and pretty much everything is condemned in them.

A funny thing is, the Bible is filled with people who practiced divination; even the followers of Christ used divination at times. Yet we are told all divination is of Satan. That is just one way that religion uses it's influence to keep people under their ruling thumb.

The beehive without rules will produce no honey; but what if the bees were to enslave crickets and tell them it was their divine duty to work for the bees? And worse yet, what if the crickets were told that they were bees, and to think otherwise was the work of some sinister insectoid satan? The crickets would certainly obey out of fear... but that would not make them bees.

I think religion is more interested in keeping power out of the hands of those who would abuse it, but I understand your problem with its ostensible hypocrisy. I think it wiser to see the bigger picture: these religions are conduits to the promised land where power cannot be abused.

Dogma has a purpose even though it sucks butt.



Christ is a hardcore mystic.

Originally Posted by Mind's Eye

The Quran speaks against practicing magic and such, therefore the Quran discredits your very words about studying Shamanism. You speak of rules, but already you have opinions of your own that are outside of the Holy Books... and that naturally is a good thing.

But if we adhered to the laws and truths of the Holy Books, we would not study anything accept the Holy Books... and pretty much everything is condemned in them.

A funny thing is, the Bible is filled with people who practiced divination; even the followers of Christ used divination at times. Yet we are told all divination is of Satan. That is just one way that religion uses it's influence to keep people under their ruling thumb.

The beehive without rules will produce no honey; but what if the bees were to enslave crickets and tell them it was their divine duty to work for the bees? And worse yet, what if the crickets were told that they were bees, and to think otherwise was the work of some sinister insectoid satan? The crickets would certainly obey out of fear... but that would not make them bees.

minds eye.

ok. shamanism... i dont really know the definition, but the leader of communities. the prophet, messenger, was sent to all communities, so red indians must have had a messenger sent to them declaring them the true interpretation of the world. the aztecs too. the chinese too...

sorcery has always existed too. some people choose to go down that path.

the quran states: "that it is a book that contains everything"

it talks about magic, jinn, the beginnings of creation, the end. the bible was changed and corrupted. the quran wasnt . thats the miracle,

the only thing the holy books tell you not to do is bad things. and they tell you to do good things.

mountains are mentioned in the quran, so geology would be studied... rain is mentioned.. nature is mentinoed. so an external study of external knowlededg accompanies divine knowledge from scripture.

the quran mentions black magic, so some would have ton study black magic in order to know when it is occuring in the community and how to stop it. but they would not practice it.


the bible has been used to enslave people by changing its contents.
teh quran has also been used to enslave people by leaders using it like a sword to make people obey them.

true practice of religion frees the human.

remember its the spiritual freedom of the spiritual quest encoded in divine scripture that frrees the soul
the temporal laws in the divine scripture that make this spiritual quest feasible for the whole commnity to attain in a communal manner.


if bees enslaved crickets it would be very bad. oppression is a sin. the bees have the vice of tyranny in their hearts and have gone astray. from the practice of virtue. they have sought the world, and the world has destroyed them

its all about

1. god
2. spiritual path tyowards him
3. increase virtues, decrease vices.

these three topicsneed to be studied in depth for all saintly aspirants.

occulting with demons is forbidden. it damages the purity of the soul

the beehive when built according to a divine system. is beautiful. it just doesnt exist anywhere anymore.

it existed in the time of king david. king soloman and the prophet muhammad. the three times spiritual striving and temporal world united in harmony.

other than these three times to my knowledge, the temporal power has belonged to "unspiritual kings" and the spiritual path has been conducted by saints.

the bee hive if it existed would be a spiritual haven for spiritual seekers.

but it doesnt exist... so we are taking the spiritual path on our own, each of us independantly... with our own beliefs.. that we have picked up over the years...

and many are unknowingly turning to occultist practice. which will end them up in hellfire, and they dont want that.

Originally Posted by siddique the mystical

minds eye.

ok. shamanism... i dont really know the definition, but the leader of communities. the prophet, messenger, was sent to all communities, so red indians must have had a messenger sent to them declaring them the true interpretation of the world. the aztecs too. the chinese too...

sorcery has always existed too. some people choose to go down that path.

the quran states: "that it is a book that contains everything"

it talks about magic, jinn, the beginnings of creation, the end. the bible was changed and corrupted. the quran wasnt . thats the miracle,

the only thing the holy books tell you not to do is bad things. and they tell you to do good things.

mountains are mentioned in the quran, so geology would be studied... rain is mentioned.. nature is mentinoed. so an external study of external knowlededg accompanies divine knowledge from scripture.

the quran mentions black magic, so some would have ton study black magic in order to know when it is occuring in the community and how to stop it. but they would not practice it.


the bible has been used to enslave people by changing its contents.
teh quran has also been used to enslave people by leaders using it like a sword to make people obey them.

true practice of religion frees the human.

remember its the spiritual freedom of the spiritual quest encoded in divine scripture that frrees the soul
the temporal laws in the divine scripture that make this spiritual quest feasible for the whole commnity to attain in a communal manner.


if bees enslaved crickets it would be very bad. oppression is a sin. the bees have the vice of tyranny in their hearts and have gone astray. from the practice of virtue. they have sought the world, and the world has destroyed them

its all about

1. god
2. spiritual path tyowards him
3. increase virtues, decrease vices.

these three topicsneed to be studied in depth for all saintly aspirants.

occulting with demons is forbidden. it damages the purity of the soul

But you see, Christ is coming to purify the world - so that the mystics can be free to practice good in freedom.