Lookin for Truth in all the wrong places

Originally Posted by Phroggy

What I mean by Truth is the oneness of Beingness, the realization of which is freedom from suffering, the cause of which is the belief in separation, the function of which is identification with the mind/body.

Phroggy- this is so well put. On the nose. Excellent!

[God-Like]

Hi Guys

I would say regarding suffering that there Is a suffering that an individual Is aware of and there Is a suffering where an Individual Is not.

How does one end suffering when they are not aware that they are?

x daz x

[Gem]

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


Agreed.. Truth is an abstraction of "ISness".. it IS, what it IS.. to label that as 'truth', then to assign it some grand cosmic meaning is just another 'rabbit hole' to get lost in.. Be still, listen to 'being' with your own being.. in the stillness, your mind and its structures are silent, Clarity reveals what 'is'..

Be well..

OK... that seems reassuring somehow. I just think it is such a balanced view.

Originally Posted by Gem

Please elaborate... what was the value of this sufferable delusion? Was there some favourable consequence? If so in what way was it favourable or valued?

Value is a subjective judgment from within the delusion, but the function of seeking is the potential to transcend human consciousness. The nature of dualistic experience is such that the seeker cannot find lasting satisfaction and eventually loses interest in trying and begins to look beyond this process.

Originally Posted by Greenslade

The Truth is relative to your own perspective. As is the rest of the Universe and everything in it.

Truth (capital 'T') usually refers to absolute Truth, which is not relative truth.

Phroggy... but the function of seeking is the potential to transcend human consciousness.

Ahhhhhhhhhhh... so whether this is labeled as a good or a bad thing is irrelevant... for me it certainly is an interesting avenue to explore, to say the very least...

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..

The issue, for me, is.. what am i seeking? if it's something i believe i don't have, then i am mistaken.. i find myself 'seeking' stillness, clarity.. i find that 'beliefs' which do not result in stillness and clarity, are burdens.. Seeking stillness and clarity is seeking what you already are, except.. we are usually busying ourselves with beliefs about what we are not..

Be well..

Yes .

Originally Posted by Gem

It's very difficult for me to ascertain what Truth refers to... so I only know of this sence of truth by which one knows he is truthful, but it seems to me 'Truth' is used to describe some absolute position such as God is Truth. The capitalization of the word... to make it a secret thing unlike the sence of truth I described.

I think it's one of those things like 'Love' where a thing which is obvious to everyone is elated to a Godly status and then kinda preached.

So... I reckon what it is is that knowledge that allows truthfulness, and I reckon if I said 'be truthful' everyone would know what that means.

That sounds like a Throng I used to know.

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Phroggy

Value is a subjective judgment from within the delusion, but the function of seeking is the potential to transcend human consciousness. The nature of dualistic experience is such that the seeker cannot find lasting satisfaction and eventually loses interest in trying and begins to look beyond this process.

I think if one is seeking for what is he will find what isn't true, but it is ridiculous to intently seek what isn't true, so one may go seek up the garden path and find that trail is devoid of the truth, somewhere near its bitter end, because of course the hope was that path led to the truth and it was followed far.

Maybe then another path leads to truth and same.

One of these freaking paths must lead to the truth dammit!

"How many roads must a man walk down" Bob Dylan

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Phroggy

That sounds like a Throng I used to know.

I'm being accused of that alot lately!