Angels , jinn, and humans

Originally Posted by siddique the mystical

god has no weaknesses. he is perfect.
god planned the scenario. teh master planner is god, supreme over everything
satan used his divine given free will to disobey.
the earthly battle ground was set up.

god has no weaknesses.

adam was also in paradise once. he was tempted by satan and cast to earth also.

the war wages .

satans children against adams.

they want to destroy us. most of them do.

You so need to listen instead of speak.

Originally Posted by MaliMarie

You just said the same thing he did just in other words... He used to pray to God but stopped and fell from grace. The only difference is that to you he was created by fire.. To gr4ssh0pp3r he fell from actual grace. And I believe angels do have free will to a point. They can't go against their natural need to help and assist. But if they decide they are above humans they lose their light and can do whatever they want

i DID NOT say the same thing as him

calling satan a fallen angel is honoring him.

i donot call satan a fallen angel. he is a demon. cast aside, accursed.

he deserves disgracing. not honoring.

he was made as a jinn, and rebelled as a jinn, and was rejected as a jinn because of his mistake.

as humans we learn, envy and pride are some of the worst sins.

Originally Posted by siddique the mystical

i DID NOT say the same thing as him

calling satan a fallen angel is honoring him.

i donot call satan a fallen angel. he is a demon. cast aside, accursed.

he deserves disgracing. not honoring.

he was made as a jinn, and rebelled as a jinn, and was rejected as a jinn because of his mistake.

as humans we learn, envy and pride are some of the worst sins.

Satan was honored by God, dude -- don't you get it? He ****ed us all.

Originally Posted by MaliMarie

How can a demon rebel? if you say their natural instinct is to turn humans away from god then who was he rebelling against?

once again.

jinn were created and given free will.
adam was created and given free will.

god tested iblis(satan) he told him to bow down to adam. satan didnt bow down because he thought he was better than adam. he disobeyed god. he had free will to do so.

so god cast him aside.

satan then said, "by your might i will guide all of them astray apart from your devoted servants" (approximate translation)

so then in the garden, satan did whisper and cause adams fall from grace also

on this earth now. the real battle is

adam fighting for his soul, against evil jinn and some evily inclined ofmankind who want him to perish

no one in this conversation is honoring Lucifer for falling from grace. Saying he is a fallen angel only reinforces the fact that he rebelled and lost his rights to stay in paradise with God and the good angels. But to say that he was always a demon and God could not control that is kind of taking away from God's glory.

satan rebelled against gods command

satan was in a place of honour before he made the mistake. he made the mistake and was accursed.

him and his followers will be in hellfire at the end of it.

it is very serious.

Originally Posted by MaliMarie

no one in this conversation is honoring Lucifer for falling from grace. Saying he is a fallen angel only reinforces the fact that he rebelled and lost his rights to stay in paradise with God and the good angels. But to say that he was always a demon and God could not control that is kind of taking away from God's glory.

nope


jinn are a creation made from fire.
mankind are a creation made from clay

in english the best word for jinn is demon.

jinn is like another species of creation that was created. and is given free will.
like humans are given free will.

thats the test.

so satann the jinn was tested, he failed, and sufferred the consequences.

he then proceeded out of his pride to attack adam in the garden.

god is glorious. magnificent in his glory and planning he only does what is fitting, whether us humans understadn it or not.

I agree it is very serious. But with a closed mind your journey will never progress. A closed flower never allows its petals to see the sun for fear of the bee. Ring a bell? As I said.. agree to disagree.

the same way adam failed the test by eating from the tree

the difference between satans mistake and adams

is satan never repented. he was proud and arrogant

Adam repented to god, and god forgave him , and sent down revelation to him, turned him into a prophet on earth. to guide his offspring.

satan in his stubborness never repented... and never has.