Enlightenment

A quote from a book called Encylopedia of Spirituality by Timothy Freke P236

Enlightenment is not something that can be achieved. Indeed it is the realization that there is no one to achieve anything. Enlightenment is not something that we can strive for. If we believe we are doing anything in order to become enlightened, we are just entrapping ourselves further in the illusion of being a doer. Enlightenment is the understanding that there is no doer

Basically 'let go of worrying about the results', as is stated in the book.

Worrying about the ego, only hinders the process. It either happens or it doesn't.

Sorry this subject is so complex to me that i must refer to a book in order to gain any understanding.

[psychoslice]

When one has Awakened there can be a falling away from certain friends or even relationships, not because you now feel their below you for this would be still the ego, but because you no longer can be with someone's neurotic behaviour, and because they don’t want to know what you have found it is better to walk away, and let them be who they believe they are, for true love doesn’t try to change anyone but lets them be who they want to be, after all they are pure Consciousness also but only blind to it.

Greetings..

Originally Posted by psychoslice

To those who it may concern

Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

If these words were spoken here on this thread, what would be your reaction, would jealousy arise and would want to attack. or would a deeper feeling arise that would want to connect to these words. Jesus never meant that he as a human was the way or the light...he was pointing to his inner SELF, he was also pointing to the SELF of the ones that he spoke these words to.

When those who want to attack me for what I have shared here, please understand that you are attacking the very thing that is keeping you away from your true Being, don't attack me, i am only the messenger.

Like every claim made, i listen carefully.. compare it to what 'is', and.. ask questions.. even when the claims work, sometimes i ask questions..

Given my disfavor with the confusion surrounding the 'word', God.. i will make the following statement using the word 'God' to illustrate how i understand some relationships.. We are ALL children (sons AND daughters) of 'God', Jesus simply had the awareness and will to claim his birthright..

I do not intend to attack anyone, though i will oppose a message that i understand diminishes the human experience, or expresses a belief that creates a real potential for harm.. 'no self' is such a belief, it dehumanizes relationships between people, it allows for abusive and oppressive behavior, in consideration of the body-minds that have no self-awareness, no self-accountability, or no self-respect, since there is the belief in 'no self'.. as i suggested: visit ruthlesstruth.com and check-out 'The Pit'.. or, watch the aggressive intimidating tactics of 'Enlightened', and.. tell me if this represents honest, sincere and compassionate human interaction.. and, of course, it is fair to inquire of my counter-tactics, which are balanced in equal measure with those i have referenced.. i really would much rather look for real and genuine solutions to the pains of Life, but.. i can assure you that explaining to a starving child that they are not 'suffering' because there is "no self to suffer", is wholly irresponsible and without any redeeming value to the human experience, yet.. this is the sort of messages i heard at RT, explaining that i would 'understand that perspective if i had the courage to look'.. so, i looked, and i still don't understand, thankfully, but.. i did 'look'.. and, because i didn't agree, i was banned, accused of wasting their time..

Choose carefully, sometimes we are enticed into 'Spiritually Correct', word-games, theories, bull-sessions and discussions, but.. we each inherently know the truth, and the 'truth' is that 'suffering' doesn't end when you pretend there is 'no self'.. as i said, tell that to the starving children, the grieving parents, the homeless.. tell them it all gets better when they believe they don't have a 'self'.. seriously, if you want to make a difference, get your 'self' into the game and make a real and tangible difference, don't play mind-games thinking you can pretend the planet's problems away..

Be well..

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Xan

A little humility goes a long way.


Xan

it's a contradiction to say one has a lot of humility. tee hee

Originally Posted by psychoslice

To those who it may concern

Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.

John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

If these words were spoken here on this thread, what would be your reaction, would jealousy arise and would want to attack. or would a deeper feeling arise that would want to connect to these words. Jesus never meant that he as a human was the way or the light...he was pointing to his inner SELF, he was also pointing to the SELF of the ones that he spoke these words to.

If I'm understanding, you are saying Jesus believed in self? Or Self, with capital S? When he said "I" he didn't mean Jesus .. he meant universal I?

Interesting way to view this passage. Please go on... I am intrigued... never thought of it that way...

[Xan]

When he said "I" he didn't mean Jesus .. he meant universal I?


Not treading on your conversation with Psychoslice, but this is how I see it.

We come to the Father/Source by our own 'me'... awareness in our being.


Xan

[Gem]

Originally Posted by Enlightened

I've SEEN there isn't one.

No belief necessary.

No one sees what isn't.

[Xan]

I've SEEN there isn't one.

No belief necessary.

So, Enlightened... Who is the "I" who saw there isn't one?


Xan

[psychoslice]

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


Like every claim made, i listen carefully.. compare it to what 'is', and.. ask questions.. even when the claims work, sometimes i ask questions..

Given my disfavor with the confusion surrounding the 'word', God.. i will make the following statement using the word 'God' to illustrate how i understand some relationships.. We are ALL children (sons AND daughters) of 'God', Jesus simply had the awareness and will to claim his birthright..

I do not intend to attack anyone, though i will oppose a message that i understand diminishes the human experience, or expresses a belief that creates a real potential for harm.. 'no self' is such a belief, it dehumanizes relationships between people, it allows for abusive and oppressive behavior, in consideration of the body-minds that have no self-awareness, no self-accountability, or no self-respect, since there is the belief in 'no self'.. as i suggested: visit ruthlesstruth.com and check-out 'The Pit'.. or, watch the aggressive intimidating tactics of 'Enlightened', and.. tell me if this represents honest, sincere and compassionate human interaction.. and, of course, it is fair to inquire of my counter-tactics, which are balanced in equal measure with those i have referenced.. i really would much rather look for real and genuine solutions to the pains of Life, but.. i can assure you that explaining to a starving child that they are not 'suffering' because there is "no self to suffer", is wholly irresponsible and without any redeeming value to the human experience, yet.. this is the sort of messages i heard at RT, explaining that i would 'understand that perspective if i had the courage to look'.. so, i looked, and i still don't understand, thankfully, but.. i did 'look'.. and, because i didn't agree, i was banned, accused of wasting their time..

Choose carefully, sometimes we are enticed into 'Spiritually Correct', word-games, theories, bull-sessions and discussions, but.. we each inherently know the truth, and the 'truth' is that 'suffering' doesn't end when you pretend there is 'no self'.. as i said, tell that to the starving children, the grieving parents, the homeless.. tell them it all gets better when they believe they don't have a 'self'.. seriously, if you want to make a difference, get your 'self' into the game and make a real and tangible difference, don't play mind-games thinking you can pretend the planet's problems away..

Be well..

I think you have read way too much into what I have shared, I know that there is a lot of so called bad stuff out there in the world, but this will be taken care of those who have no other choice but to take care, what I have shared here is that all are pure essence, other than what we believe our self to be, to realize that you are One with all, doesn't mean that you hate the so called ego, it just means that you have put all in its rightful place, of all people here i thought you at least would have some understanding of what i shared.

Now by being Awake we catch out others ego’s trying to bring us into their dream, because we don’t go along with their game they cannot work out why, they will think that you are trying to be better than them or they may think that you no longer like them, they will try to become the victim and make you the villain, these are the games that the neurotic ego will play on you.

Originally Posted by TzuJanLi

Greetings..


Like every claim made, i listen carefully.. compare it to what 'is', and.. ask questions.. even when the claims work, sometimes i ask questions..

Given my disfavor with the confusion surrounding the 'word', God.. i will make the following statement using the word 'God' to illustrate how i understand some relationships.. We are ALL children (sons AND daughters) of 'God', Jesus simply had the awareness and will to claim his birthright..

I do not intend to attack anyone, though i will oppose a message that i understand diminishes the human experience, or expresses a belief that creates a real potential for harm.. 'no self' is such a belief, it dehumanizes relationships between people, it allows for abusive and oppressive behavior, in consideration of the body-minds that have no self-awareness, no self-accountability, or no self-respect, since there is the belief in 'no self'.. as i suggested: visit ruthlesstruth.com and check-out 'The Pit'.. or, watch the aggressive intimidating tactics of 'Enlightened', and.. tell me if this represents honest, sincere and compassionate human interaction.. and, of course, it is fair to inquire of my counter-tactics, which are balanced in equal measure with those i have referenced.. i really would much rather look for real and genuine solutions to the pains of Life, but.. i can assure you that explaining to a starving child that they are not 'suffering' because there is "no self to suffer", is wholly irresponsible and without any redeeming value to the human experience, yet.. this is the sort of messages i heard at RT, explaining that i would 'understand that perspective if i had the courage to look'.. so, i looked, and i still don't understand, thankfully, but.. i did 'look'.. and, because i didn't agree, i was banned, accused of wasting their time..

Choose carefully, sometimes we are enticed into 'Spiritually Correct', word-games, theories, bull-sessions and discussions, but.. we each inherently know the truth, and the 'truth' is that 'suffering' doesn't end when you pretend there is 'no self'.. as i said, tell that to the starving children, the grieving parents, the homeless.. tell them it all gets better when they believe they don't have a 'self'.. seriously, if you want to make a difference, get your 'self' into the game and make a real and tangible difference, don't play mind-games thinking you can pretend the planet's problems away..

Be well..

I totally get where you are coming from. I would like to coin a new term: All-Self. How about that? Some may call me arrogant and full of ego for my view, put it works for me. I would not kill you because killing you would be like killing a part of me. I would feel your pain, as if it were my own. Yet I would not flinch if you decided to shoot me in the head with a pistol, or if you were a hungry tiger and pounced and ate me. In the latter scenario I'd be glad you were fed; in the former, I'd figure I was sacrifice for a lesson you must learn (and I'm eternal so I don't really die -- just in this reality, I end).

The problems of the world would end if we all took on a belief of All-Self. You could not bear to let a child go to bed hungry, because your own tummy would be growling.

I know what it is like to feel so desperate you want to shake ignorant/unawaken people silly until they "get" it. But it doesn't work like that. All you can do is catch the ball when it is thrown to you, and hold it, instead of tossing it to someone else. I.e, take ownership for your own little role.

When we take ownership -- others are forced to take ownership. When we hold our ball and they can no longer throw to us because our hands are full, the pressure accumulates until there is ... no one left to throw their own ball to.

That's the ONLY way to get people to change. And every time you try to argue, debate, change minds.... all you are doing is tossing the ball. Energetically speaking.

"You" here, not necessarily Tzu... universal you.

Thank you for the soap box. I'll step down now.