The First Paganism in the World

Ibn 'Abbas narrated that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "The period between Adam and Noah was ten centuries." Sahih Al-Bukhari

All people were worshipping one god, the god of their father Adam, peace be upon him.

But how disbelief began?

(Waddan, Suwa'an, Yaghutha, Ya'auqa, and Nasran)

These were the names of good people who had lived among them. After their deaths, statues of them were erected to keep their memories alive. After some time, however, people began to worship these statues. Later generations did not even know why they had been erected; they only knew their parents had prayed to them.

Ibn 'Abbas explained: "Following upon the death of those righteous men, Satan inspired their people to erect statues in the places where they used to sit. They did this, but these statues were not worshiped until the coming generations deviated from the right way of life. Then they worshiped them as their idols."

When God saw these people forgetting about Him, He decided to leave them with their new gods/idols away from Him.

But before such destruction happens to them, God sent to them a wonderful man whose name was Noah, peace be upon him.

And indeed We sent Nûh (Noah) to his people (and he said): "I have come to you as a plain warner." (25)
"That you worship none but Allâh, surely, I fear for you the torment of a painful Day." (26)

The chiefs who the disbelieved among his people said: "We see you but a man like ourselves, nor do we see any follow you but the meanest among us and they (too) followed you without thinking. And we do not see in you any merit above us, in fact we think you are liars." (27)

He said: "O my people! Tell me, if I have a clear proof from my Lord, and a Mercy (Prophethood) has come to me from Him, but that has been obscured from your sight. Shall we compel you to accept it when you have a strong hatred for it? (28)

"And O my people! I ask of you no wealth for it, my reward is from none but Allâh. I am not going to drive away those who have believed. Surely, they are going to meet their Lord, but I see that you are a people that are ignorant (29)

"And O my people! Who will help me against Allâh, if I drove them away? Will you not then give a thought? (30)

"And I do not say to you that with me are the Treasures of Allâh, "Nor that I know the Ghaib (unseen);"nor do I say I am an angel, and I do not say of those whom your eyes look down upon that Allâh will not bestow any good on them. Allâh knows what is in their inner-selves (as regards belief, etc.). In that case, I should, indeed be one of the wrong-doers." (31)

To be continued by God's Will.

[norseman]

OK. Lets do a bit of analysis.
"Ibn 'Abbas narrated that Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "The period between Adam and Noah was ten centuries." Sahih Al-Bukhari"

The "great flood" [Noah] - we can attach a date to that. The melting of the Ice Sheet at the end of the last Ice Age, approx 6000BC - highest sea levels resulting in the flooding of the North Sea plain. Date well established by Archeology.
This places Adam, "progenitor of man", at 7000BC.
Problem with that is the archeological record again. For example, fossil remains of modern man in Britain dated as about 45000BC. Other parts of the world even earlier.

I will ignore the dogma and move directly to the statement "The First Paganism in the World".
Now bearing in mind that there is no such thing as "paganism", I will take your word even though incorrect. Some of the the earliest "faiths" of man which left an archeological record in Europe were based on Earth And Sky gods/goddesses, and date from the Ice Age itself [about 10000BC]. Figurines of the "domi", a Great Mother goddess are widespread across Europe south of the Ice sheet and have also been recovered from the bottom of the North Sea. These faiths would definitely be classed as "pagan". Judaism and, much later, Islam and Christianity are very late-comers to man.
So, the claim of "First Paganism" just does not add up.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by norseman

This places Adam, "progenitor of man", at 7000BC.

the 7,000 BC is an old concept, most people now believe it was about 13,000 BC.


mj

[norseman]

Originally Posted by Mathew James

the 7,000 BC is an old concept, most people now believe it was about 13,000 BC.


mj

There are fossil human remains in Britain dated about 24000 BC. My point with Slave of Allaah was that the bible and Quran cannot be relied on for chronological accuracy or even factual accuracy.
But the Flood has been determined with a fair degree of accuracy as the date that the North Sea plain flooded - around 6000 BC.
"original star watchers were Islamic" - not even close. Look to the neolithic/mesolithic monumental structures in Europe and Egypt.

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by norseman

There are fossil human remains in Britain dated about 24000 BC. My point with Slave of Allaah was that the bible and Quran cannot be relied on for chronological accuracy or even factual accuracy.
But the Flood has been determined with a fair degree of accuracy as the date that the North Sea plain flooded - around 6000 BC.
"original star watchers were Islamic" - not even close. Look to the neolithic/mesolithic monumental structures in Europe and Egypt.

Islam started with Adam, who is older than that?

mj

[norseman]

In your own words, you place Adam at 13000 BC. I pointed out that there were fossil human remains in Britain dated 24000 BC. So, to your question, who is older than Adam ? - Seems like most of the early population of Europe at least.

norseman! You know you are claiming things I didn't even mention. yes?

How did you know that prophet Noah, peace be upon him, was 6000BC?

Originally Posted by slave of Allaah

norseman! You know you are claiming things I didn't even mention. yes?

How did you know that prophet Noah, peace be upon him, was 6000BC?

That is the latest geological date known for high lood waters, and is assumed to be the original source of the flood story.

There IS another part to that, look up lake agazziz, the information is a bit dated, but long story short, the damn holding int he lake burst, and released a massive torrent of water, that started teh seperation of europe and the UK and also created the black sea (where most of the original religious atrifacts start from, dissapear, and reappear a fewjundred eyars alter, up in the cucauses). This was aroun 12000 - 10 000 years ago, the rest of the glaciers melted, and the flood max was around 6000 years ago, as norseman stated, which were stalled before that, due to a hienrick event, that wiped out neanderthol.

Its a majorly documented, concidering how old, and the fact that 90% of the evidence is under water now....


If your even more interested, read this, this is a GREAT article..

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20...tepe/mann-text

And, paganism, is by definition, the term to describe anything other then monotheism, which is islam, christianity and judeism..

[Mathew James]

Originally Posted by Time

... This was aroun 12000 - 10 000 years ago, the rest of the glaciers melted, and the flood max was around 6000 years ago,...

The period of time when the last glacial maximum began to recede was about 13,500 years ago and the earth was flourishing with life by 12,000 BC years ago. Then the flood happened about 6,000 years ago or 3,000 BC. The 10,000 years from around 13,000 BC to 3,000 BC are the 10 centuries. They would need to be calculated in moon cycles to achieve the exact dates for the actual centuries.


mj

[norseman]

Originally Posted by slave of Allaah

norseman! You know you are claiming things I didn't even mention. yes?

How did you know that prophet Noah, peace be upon him, was 6000BC?

Prior to that date, the British Isles did not exist, it was all part of Europe. Where the North Sea and Irish Sea are now, were low-lying dry tundra, home to Hunter-Gatherer tribes. The ice sheets melted, releasing vast amounts of water and sea levels rose across the world - the great flood of the bible. The date of this inundation is known with some accuracy - it's all in the archeological record.
I mention this to indicate that religious documents, such as the bible and Quran, are not reliable accurate records, especially the Old Testament which I gather is common to both.