Suzan Carroll. June 2011

Ascension. Connecting w/ multidimensional SELF.

http://www.multidimensions.com/TheVi...er_060711.html

What a load of **, typical New Age garbage.

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

What a load of **, typical New Age garbage.

Aah, the time honored sport of bashing new agers. LOL.

We all have the right to have our beliefs.
Others have the exact same right to theirs as well.

Some consider it a 'load of **' & 'garbage' to be intolerant of others beliefs.

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

What a load of **, typical New Age garbage.

The flip side of us having the right to have our chosen beliefs is allowing others to also have their beliefs particularly those which differ from our own.

This is the same principle behind free speech. Free speech isn’t the protecting the right to say what one wants, but protecting the right for others to say things that one might even find offensive or completely disagree w/.

You seem to be putting all of New Age thought in one category. This doesn’t apply. ALL belief systems & religions have their fair share of whack jobs, but we seldom define OUR BELIEFS by the looniest of that belief system, but often stereotype others’ beliefs by the fringiest of the fringe.

By the way, I don’t recall this being required reading!

I stated mine what's the problem with that.
Or is it that its ok to state your belif/opinion as long as it fits with everyone
else's.

As for bashing New Age, well its called credability. If something starts off with;

"I am an individual expression of the Arcturian Group Mind who has taken a fifth dimensional form. My body is a hybrid of human and Arcturian, as I have merged with my grounded expression on Earth. To me this unification occurred beyond time, but to my grounded one the merging is still in process. I wish to tell you that many of the grounded expressions of the Galactic Federation are merging with their higher expressions as a component of your Personal and Planetary Ascension.
Within your moment of time, I am holding form on the Starship Athena, and my human expression of self is in the United States."


What will the average person think who might be looking via the internet for info on energy healing or personal growth/spirituality. Or even somebody from the medical profession who is examining therapies etc.

New Age bought a level of awareness to many and thats great but its also spawned a great deal of total rubbish that means that New Age has become its own worst enemy.

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

I stated mine what's the problem with that.
Or is it that its ok to state your belif/opinion as long as it fits with everyone
else's.

As for bashing New Age, well its called credability. If something starts off with;

"I am an individual expression of the Arcturian Group Mind who has taken a fifth dimensional form. My body is a hybrid of human and Arcturian, as I have merged with my grounded expression on Earth. To me this unification occurred beyond time, but to my grounded one the merging is still in process. I wish to tell you that many of the grounded expressions of the Galactic Federation are merging with their higher expressions as a component of your Personal and Planetary Ascension.
Within your moment of time, I am holding form on the Starship Athena, and my human expression of self is in the United States."


What will the average person think who might be looking via the internet for info on energy healing or personal growth/spirituality. Or even somebody from the medical profession who is examining therapies etc.

New Age bought a level of awareness to many and thats great but its also spawned a great deal of total rubbish that means that New Age has become its own worst enemy.

I agree with your general sentiment, and don't buy into the channeled alien/ascended being stuff either. It has no credibility, no evidence of being real, I believe people claim to be channeling these things to scam money from others and to get attention for themselves.

However you might want to change the tone of your posts here slightly, like you, I am a skeptic myself and tend to speak my mind on these matters, but I know the staff and they tend to come down hard what they consider disrespect.

Just a helpful warning.

Reply to Energyatwork.

Originally Posted by Scibat

I agree with your general sentiment, and don't buy into the channeled alien/ascended being stuff either.

To each their own about choosing beliefs. This is disagreement, but civil opposition.

Originally Posted by Scibat

It has no credibility, no evidence of being real, I believe people claim to be channeling these things to scam money from others and to get attention for themselves.

It’s difficult to determine others’ motivation. Requires considerable omniscience.

Some channelers are absolutely pumping their readers for $$$. One particularly egregious channeled message actually signs off w/ a crassly & routine statement at the end of the channeled message if you liked this message make a donation. Kind of hard to take that seriously, even though at least they are straightforward about providing the channel for $$$.

As Suzan Carroll is a professional therapist it is unlikely that her site, multidimensions.com is a major source of income. All of her work, including books is available at no charge. The only items on the site that are for sale are inexpensive ones of a decorative nature. She isn't selling spirituality as some do. She has a separate site for her therapy work.

Originally Posted by Scibat

However you might want to change the tone of your posts here slightly, like you, I am a skeptic myself and tend to speak my mind on these matters, but I know the staff and they tend to come down hard what they consider disrespect.

Just a helpful warning.

It is entirely possible to have vigorous debate about these issues that is civil. I’ll leave it to others to make own their assessment about whether this occurred or not!

I heartily suggest that people use discernment w/ reviewing ALL information, including channeled information.

Discernment- http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/sh...ad.php?t=12105

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

I stated mine what's the problem with that.
Or is it that its ok to state your belif/opinion as long as it fits with everyone
else's.

There is no issue w/ stating a varying view. It need not be homogeneous or agreeing. Your view about these matters wasn’t stated. You just chose to bash someone else’s writing, deeming it ‘a load of BS’ & stereotyping it.

Their is a vast difference between debating the strengths & weaknesses or nuances of a belief system, strongly stating one’s own views, & stating ‘What a load of **, typical ... garbage.’ I suppose there is some point for you in displaying your view about this in this manner. Why do you care what New Agers say, think, or discuss?

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

As for bashing New Age, well its called credability. If something starts off with;

"I am an individual expression of the Arcturian Group Mind who has taken a fifth dimensional form. ... ."

Many have had a very strong feeling that they hark from elsewhere in the Universe w/ quite a few of them having a specific ET connection. This really isn’t that unusual even though it is obviously something that you don’t consider possible.

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

What will the average person think who might be looking via the internet for info on energy healing or personal growth/spirituality. Or even somebody from the medical profession who is examining therapies etc.

What is the average person? Who gets to determine this & remove alll material from the Internet that isn't appropriate for this 'average person'????? Beliefs, interests, & level of consciousness vary considerably.

There are people of all levels as well as of all orientations who are looking for all types of information on the Internet about personal growth/spirituality. Should we dumb down information so it would be completely inoffensive to EVERYONE????? In this case we would promptly remove absolutely all information about personal growth & spirituality from the Internet as there will always be someone who will disagree. For those who are offended at particular information being offered, why is what others want to discuss a problem for them?

There are many who will find Suzan Carroll’s discussing this interesting & not just those who feel a personal off world connection. Her site, multidimensions.com has a wealth of information. As noted before, I don’t recall making this required reading.

It is a really interesting argument that this would be somehow problematic for ‘somebody from the medical profession who is examining therapies etc.‘ Are those in the medical profession seen as lacking the intelligence & discernment to sort through information to select what they want from the Internet?????
BTW, Suzan Carroll is in the medical professional as a professional psychotherapist. Another New Age channeler who is also a professional psychotherapist is Tom Kenyon who channels the Hathors.
http://tomkenyon.com/hathors-archives

Originally Posted by Energyatwork

New Age bought a level of awareness to many and thats great but its also spawned a great deal of total rubbish that means that New Age has become its own worst enemy.

There is no question that there are no shortage of whack jobs in the New Age group. This is, however no different than all spiritual belief systems. Organized religions are seldom defined by the whackiest of its whack jobs, for instance a Jim Jones who voluntarily killed 912 of his followers in a mass poisoning or the street corner doomsday brayer or the fundamentalists who are preaching archaic hateful religious concepts that demean others w/ differing lifestyles or genders. These fringies of organized religion are taken in the context of KNOWing that they only represent the extremes, not the mainstream teachings of organized religion. New Age beliefs are no different about this dynamic of its whack jobs not representing or affecting its mainstream teachings. Many wouldn't consider Carroll's work as a fringe element.

Just as Carroll’s channel wasn’t required reading, New Age beliefs are there to take & leave. This is an individual choice of what beliefs we select.

One of the great strengths about what is called New Age beliefs, or what I think of as post-organized religion spirituality is the ability to have a broad range of changing beliefs. Some will see changing beliefs as being flakey, preferring the rigid, set beliefs of organized religion, but this is to a large extent fallacy. Organized religion, even in the same religion has subsets of the religion that often have quite different beliefs. Additionally, organized religion’s own beliefs have changed markedly over time w/ current beliefs being different than those of even a hundred years ago & diverging considerably from the beliefs of the same religious sect of 500 years ago.

New Age beliefs’ flexibility, w/ an assumed change always occurring is a natural & healthy state. The constant in the Universe is change. Healthy spiritual belief systems will have this built in as an integral part of their system.

Scibat
No problem

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I think it's important for people to decide what works for them, what feels right, and telling them that what they believe to be true is wrong isn't a nice way to go. If you're going to refute a persons beliefs, don't be so condescending about it as if YOUR beliefs are the only one's which are valid.

That being said, I am a bit tired of the same old information being propagated by New Age groups. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but one can say anything to those who are naive and take advantage of them.