Suicide and the soul

rainmaker · #1 04-06-2014, 11:57 PM

I'm curious to hear various opinions on the fate of the soul when death is through suicide. We're largely encouraged not to leave life by our own hands, and there are numerous beliefs surrounding the consequences hereafter should a person take their own life. But what about circumstances in which an individual fully knows that there is no relief to their pain or suffering, regardless of it's form, in this life? Do you believe the soul of that individual will be condemned or punished in some way?

MorpHnStorM · #2 05-06-2014, 06:08 PM

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I'm curious to hear various opinions on the fate of the soul when death is through suicide. We're largely encouraged not to leave life by our own hands, and there are numerous beliefs surrounding the consequences hereafter should a person take their own life. But what about circumstances in which an individual fully knows that there is no relief to their pain or suffering, regardless of it's form, in this life? Do you believe the soul of that individual will be condemned or punished in some way?

Absolutely not. Love and compassion is shown, and that soul will be allowed to heal, and further learn and grow from their experience. In most cases, they will move on to assist others as well.

12meadows · #3 05-06-2014, 06:37 PM

I agree with MorpHnStorm, we are each here to learn certain things in each of our lifetimes. sometimes that is suffering. when I was 15 my best friend committed suicide. I knew then and now that she was a person who would never find happiness in this lifetime. a couple of days after she passed I saw her standing next to my bed. she didn't speak when I asked her why- she just smiled at me. her suffering was over, and while I suffered for while - I know now that it was a very valuable lesson to me. I would never advise anyone to take their own life- we are here to help each other- but I would never condemn someone for it. warm wishes :)

Rah nam · #4 05-06-2014, 10:39 PM

there is no such thing as punishment and condemnation
but this does not mean a person that suicides or dies in some other way, perhaps in a violent way, can not get lost for some time or be trapped in the non physical earth realm

annabelle239 · #5 06-06-2014, 08:11 AM

I think this may be somewhat related so..i think it's very very hard to actually commit suicide and i think this is for a reason.
so,because of this,i also think if we commit suicide it was part of our life path.

Native spirit · #6 06-06-2014, 09:43 AM

When anyone passes through suicide they go into Healing in spirit,they dont suffer from their act of passing at all,nobody knows why a person commits suicide except the person themselves, and we can not condemn them either,some people reach a point in their lives where they feel they cant go on.

Namaste

#7 27-06-2014, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by annabelle239

I think this may be somewhat related so..i think it's very very hard to actually commit suicide and i think this is for a reason.
so,because of this,i also think if we commit suicide it was part of our life path.

I have to agree with this. I attempted a few times. No success. In my NDE, I had a tremendous amounts of visions. So many have come true. This really makes me wonder if there is truth in soul plans. Had I not gone thru this and experienced these things, I may never have thought to research more.

The thing of it tho, it would have been better for me to just pass. I would never have wanted for some things to happen. I am actually quite angry about this. Why would this all be in my soul plan? Why would it be in other's soul plans? It was cruel to everyone. I would never have wanted that. Lessons have been learned, sure....but I resent the way it was all played out. I really do.

LadyMay · #8 02-07-2014, 10:06 PM

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I have to agree with this. I attempted a few times. No success. In my NDE, I had a tremendous amounts of visions. So many have come true. This really makes me wonder if there is truth in soul plans. Had I not gone thru this and experienced these things, I may never have thought to research more.

The thing of it tho, it would have been better for me to just pass. I would never have wanted for some things to happen. I am actually quite angry about this. Why would this all be in my soul plan? Why would it be in other's soul plans? It was cruel to everyone. I would never have wanted that. Lessons have been learned, sure....but I resent the way it was all played out. I really do.

I believe that anything like this that happens is part of your plan because you were the one who planned for it to happen that way in the first place before you were born... you just don't remember making that plan. Even in NDE type of experiences we're not really told everything.. or rather, we don't tell ourselves everything. We just let ourselves remember what we need to know. And even then it takes a lot of time for the brain to actually catch up and understand what it's seen and remembered.

Tobi · #9 03-08-2014, 12:14 AM

"You" are not only this life though. "You" are a Spirit who IS.
We all go home, and the love and joy is not denied to a spirit going home. However, as far as I am aware, there will come a time of personal reflection on the life just completed (as one of the precious beads on the necklace of experience) and it's then that the deed may be viewed with disappointment, or even sadness, or even a form of grieving, not only for one's own soul and its mission -but for other souls (friends and family)who loved, and may have been hurt deeply by the deed.

This is accepted, the spirit continues, and there is no-one with harsh judgement, but there may always be a yearning to complete something left undone. That opportunity may well present itself in the choice of another life. The spirit may well be shown a reason why they need to complete the thing left undone. That may well mean re-encountering the exact same challenges which led to suicide in the first place.
But as far as I know, there is no shame in not being able to do it. There are endless opportunities.
But to my view, it is a case of "shall I do it now and try my best, and get it over with?" or "shall I drag this on over lifetimes of experience, until I get the message?"

But the love which exists in the state of going home will not have any harsh judgement about what we did 'wrong'. The love just IS too.

However....I always wonder about those who choose to take their own lives at the end stage of a cruelly painful terminal illness. At a stage where if that suffering soul were a dog, we would choose to have it put to sleep, only because it's a Human, we can't do that. There is no euthanasia, (gentle death) and the dying process is drawn out unnaturally by medical interventions which force a situation of 'physical existence at all cost'. Surely in such cases, choosing to pass earlier, or refusing medical interference, is not the same thing?

I don't think this is 'one size fits all' either.

mogenblue · #10 03-08-2014, 06:32 AM

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However....I always wonder about those who choose to take their own lives at the end stage of a cruelly painful terminal illness. At a stage where if that suffering soul were a dog, we would choose to have it put to sleep, only because it's a Human, we can't do that. There is no euthanasia, (gentle death) and the dying process is drawn out unnaturally by medical interventions which force a situation of 'physical existence at all cost'. Surely in such cases, choosing to pass earlier, or refusing medical interference, is not the same thing?

I don't think this is 'one size fits all' either.

Absolutely. Euthanasia could be a topic of it's own. It is legal here in Holland but I understand doctors are very reluctant about it. They certainly don't want to burn their fingers on it.
I think it is of no use to extend physical life at all cost. People should be allowed to stop medical treatment if it would not improve their life significantly. But what if you are 30 or 40 or if you are 60 or 80?
Doctors have taken an oath to protect life, if I am right. There is a reason for that.

Personally, if I would have to suffer a painful death, I don't think I would want to intervene anymore. I would think it would be unfinished cause and effect that had to be fullfilled and that would be the chance to finally get it over with. There is a very heartbreaking example of something like that in the book Between Life and Dead.

I think I am doing all I can now to prevent my health from deteriorating. So if I still have to suffer I think I would have to accept it. But that is me talking big here right now, feeling just great and on top of the world. You know how people can change if a situation would change or what a fine talk with an understandig doctor can do, right?