'just be at peace'

[happy soul]

We've all heard the teaching 'just be', and maybe 'just be aware'. I've been contemplating the idea 'just be at peace' for a while.

It seems pretty easy to do, UNLESS you're upset in some way. Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'. It can therefore be natural and effortless to just be at peace.

The teaching to 'rest in peace' is similar, and is definitely not merely a prayer for the dead, but an important approach to life and to one's moment to moment experience.

Here's the problem. WE LIKE DRAMA, CONFLICT, AND PROBLEMS.

U.G. Krishnamurti says that we love problems, and if we don't have one, we'll CREATE one.

It's like (and this may not apply to everyone, but it does to most people) we don't really, really and truly, WANT to be at peace.

If we can see this in ourselves, if we can recognize how we don't really want peace, maybe we can overcome it. If we practice the teaching to 'just be at peace', our tendency to AVOID peace will reveal itself, and then we can deal with that tendency - we can let it go.

We have to be willing.

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by happy soul

We've all heard the teaching 'just be', and maybe 'just be aware'. I've been contemplating the idea 'just be at peace' for a while.

It seems pretty easy to do, UNLESS you're upset in some way. Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'. It can therefore be natural and effortless to just be at peace.

The teaching to 'rest in peace' is similar, and is definitely not merely a prayer for the dead, but an important approach to life and to one's moment to moment experience.

Here's the problem. WE LIKE DRAMA, CONFLICT, AND PROBLEMS.

U.G. Krishnamurti says that we love problems, and if we don't have one, we'll CREATE one.

It's like (and this may not apply to everyone, but it does to most people) we don't really, really and truly, WANT to be at peace.

If we can see this in ourselves, if we can recognize how we don't really want peace, maybe we can overcome it. If we practice the teaching to 'just be at peace', our tendency to AVOID peace will reveal itself, and then we can deal with that tendency - we can let it go.

We have to be willing.

IF peace is our essential nature, maybe it will catch up to us even if we don't want it and want all the drama instead..

Practice makes perfect..so they say.

I was doing a reiki today on a elderly lady bed ridden for most of her day. she loves her Reiki..We went into a deep discussion about astral travelling and angels, god and perfection, where god resides and what perfection meant to her..I said to her. "Your just perfect"..She said. No god is perfect. I said. But didn't you tell me earlier god is within you? She said YES god is. I said. Well you must be perfect too.. She smiled and we laughed together.

It was a deeply peaceful reiki session. After wards she mentioned how she felt like she was floating in peace, I said, I felt it too, it was lovely.. We were the perfect peace makers today..

Originally Posted by naturesflow

IF peace is our essential nature, maybe it will catch up to us even if we don't want it and want all the drama instead..

Practice makes perfect..so they say.

Interesting, because quite honestly if "Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'.", then Ekhart Tolle has got it wrong.

It may be an essential aim but as essential nature it's too highly questionable. It would be stasis, a point at which 'experiencing' stops - because a) there's no need for further experiencing as there would be no further unknowns; b) what's around us doesn't stand still. One person's peace isn't another's which may be in conflict with ours unless we all reach a state of entropy in which nothing matters any longer; c) we'd have to assume every environment we enter brings no conflict thus nothing to resolve; and d) those who like a challenge (which could be seen as an arm of spiritual growth) will have to disturb their status quo to find it- or if thrown at them, are ready to meet it.

We can enjoy moments of peace; we have the capacity to be peaceful (could even be 'content') but that doesn't make it 'essential nature' which is to me balance and steady state... I am not unpeaceful most of the time because I make continual adjustments and put up with non-peace, just as one factor: having to work to earn to survive.

As I see it, anyway. But this is all too early. I need a bit of brekkies before going to zumba which will bring joy, exhilaration... but that isn't peace.
Mr Tolle needs to rethink his premise... he needs to be Tolled off!

[naturesflow]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Interesting, because quite honestly if "Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'.", then Ekhart Tolle has got it wrong.

I don't see him as wrong, but you can of course. What I find Lorelyen, is often as I am moving through shifts on the surface, as in when past conditioning or even emotional binds arise, often I find I go through a process where by I become aware of something, face it, release it and then I notice I move deeper into a state of clarity and I guess you could say peace at the core. Over time that peace has become and is becoming a deeper interconnected feeling of peace only because I have found peace within each stream I needed to make peace with. The more I make peace with external stuff that might unsettle me, trigger me, the more expanded my peace seems to become. So I suppose it comes through what we could perceive as a conscious practice to build peace at the level where peace seems to reside more naturally as an arising as part of my more "true" nature. I guess I would call it part of my true nature, only because when all the other conditioned stuff moves out of me, (like really face it fully) I do feel a deeper more grounded sense of peace at the core of my being.

It may be an essential aim but as essential nature it's too highly questionable. It would be stasis, a point at which 'experiencing' stops - because a) there's no need for further experiencing as there would be no further unknowns; b) what's around us doesn't stand still. One person's peace isn't another's which may be in conflict with ours unless we all reach a state of entropy in which nothing matters any longer; c) we'd have to assume every environment we enter brings no conflict thus nothing to resolve; and d) those who like a challenge (which could be seen as an arm of spiritual growth) will have to disturb their status quo to find it- or if thrown at them, are ready to meet it.

Perhaps your right. As I perceive it through process, it seems to arise as a end point of process, in the core of the surface movements, "not at peace" in myself. I still experience myself of course. Life goes on. I guess I know it exists within me to find, but I am not consciously aiming for it. It tends to be an arising point after the fact of "doing the work" to clear everything out of its way holding on in feeling.

We can enjoy moments of peace; we have the capacity to be peaceful (could even be 'content') but that doesn't make it 'essential nature' which is to me balance and steady state... I am not unpeaceful most of the time because I make continual adjustments and put up with non-peace, just as one factor: having to work to earn to survive.

Balance is as I experience myself part of peace, so I guess the flow of life movements and awareness points we can enter into, give rise to knowing there is more if we get stuck or out of balance, 'not at peace' in someway. I guess once you know what you can be within, it becomes a knowing you can attain to it.

As I see it, anyway. But this is all too early. I need a bit of brekkies before going to zumba which will bring joy, exhilaration... but that isn't peace.
Mr Tolle needs to rethink his premise... he needs to be Tolled off!

Mr Tolle has found what he thinks works, it serves those who need it I guess. I wonder if within our essential nature their is a deeper connected peace that is unmoved by any external happenings that might otherwise move one into discord if not connected that deep in peace? May be the DL could hint us and let us in on his understandings.

Originally Posted by naturesflow

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Mr Tolle has found what he thinks works, it serves those who need it I guess. I wonder if within our essential nature their is a deeper connected peace that is unmoved by any external happenings that might otherwise move one into discord if not connected that deep in peace? May be the DL could hint us and let us in on his understandings.

The DL?

This is the problem with many similar thinkers – Mr (or is it Mrs) Hicks is the same and cynical as it may sound it seems to be resolving as a repository of spiritual platitudes. For the depressed and worldly weary it makes them feel better but it also raises false hopes, not only reinforcing people's feelings of their current un-optimal state but about what could be if they followed a doctrine.... that may not be workable in their circumstances, which could raise problems of despair if they have no control over their circumstances. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with aiming for peace. What a lovely world it would be if everyone took the same drug at the same time.

Last night I happened upon a passage from a book on neurophysiology representing fairly up to date research. It'll bear repeat here in context.

Evolution is driven and directed by the physical survival of the species not by the happiness of individuals. Thus much of the brain’s functioning is based on primitive fight or flight mechanisms as opposed to conscious and compassionate decision making. The conscious and unconscious management of fear and anxiety remains the core component of our attachment relationships.

It got me thinking. The way the brain deals with situations is an extension of its earliest incarnation, evolved over millions of years. It is still prepared for all eventualities. So it would seem that peace is not a human’s essential nature. Rather, it’s self-preservation, the brain’s job above all is keeping its owner safe.

It does seem to run counter to Mr Tolle.

(But please accept...although it's probably good insomnia treatment I don't look on neurophysiology as good bedtime reading!!)

♥

[Jyotir]

Hi happy soul,

Even what is undesirable now in our lives was at one time emergent, radical, and a transcending departure from the status quo in a continual evolution of consciousness that is life. And this is also true of mental and vital attributes of human life - acquired habits - that at one time were urgently necessary to be emphasized and integrated - must now be superseded.

Yes, peace is our essential nature, however it is veiled, buried, or predominated by layers of our familiar instrumental nature which is not peaceful.

This is the point of spirituality, yoga, sadhana - to reveal and practice the essential so that it becomes the instrumental consciousness.

~ J

[naturesflow]

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Originally Posted by Lorelyen

The DL?

Dalai Lama Lorelyen.

This is the problem with many similar thinkers – Mr (or is it Mrs) Hicks is the same and cynical as it may sound it seems to be resolving as a repository of spiritual platitudes. For the depressed and worldly weary it makes them feel better but it also raises false hopes, not only reinforcing people's feelings of their current un-optimal state but about what could be if they followed a doctrine.... that may not be workable in their circumstances, which could raise problems of despair if they have no control over their circumstances. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with aiming for peace. What a lovely world it would be if everyone took the same drug at the same time.

I guess through the nature of our own journey and process, based upon this life and our personal experiences Lorelyen, sometimes people connect to aspects of life we might not fully understand, simply because we are not in that space to understand it fully as they perceive and see it. In my view peace is an attainable end point, as part of my true nature, only because I witness my unfolding through process as to what moves in me on the surface and deeper. Peace seems to always arise through that conscious walk I take. (mind you I am an avid self healer type so I move things deep in myself knowing I can end things more complete and change my reality more complete in this way) When other people tell me they feel that peace in me as I walk through life and meet and connect to them, it offers me a realization and reflection, that I am not imagining what I experience and feel at the deepest level of myself and share most freely with life around me. And often its not something every now and then, but more often something that people feel most often in me. It makes sense because I have allowed myself to open up to that in myself through process to know its real.

Last night I happened upon a passage from a book on neurophysiology representing fairly up to date research. It'll bear repeat here in context.

I will be back to follow up on your next paragraph. I am off to work. See you later on x

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Interesting, because quite honestly if "Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'.", then Ekhart Tolle has got it wrong.

It may be an essential aim but as essential nature it's too highly questionable. It would be stasis, a point at which 'experiencing' stops - because a) there's no need for further experiencing as there would be no further unknowns; b) what's around us doesn't stand still. One person's peace isn't another's which may be in conflict with ours unless we all reach a state of entropy in which nothing matters any longer; c) we'd have to assume every environment we enter brings no conflict thus nothing to resolve; and d) those who like a challenge (which could be seen as an arm of spiritual growth) will have to disturb their status quo to find it- or if thrown at them, are ready to meet it.

We can enjoy moments of peace; we have the capacity to be peaceful (could even be 'content') but that doesn't make it 'essential nature' which is to me balance and steady state... I am not unpeaceful most of the time because I make continual adjustments and put up with non-peace, just as one factor: having to work to earn to survive.

As I see it, anyway. But this is all too early. I need a bit of brekkies before going to zumba which will bring joy, exhilaration... but that isn't peace.
Mr Tolle needs to rethink his premise... he needs to be Tolled off!

Yup!

Everyone that proclaims that peace is our nature seems to forget about .. nature.

Everything that Lorelyen describes has seemingly always been so - except in the Garden of Eden type ideal.

Now Eden as I remember the story only had two human inhabitants so there was no competition etc etc.

~

Whatever it is that we most commonly do is exactly the same as all other species on the planet (I don't need to go into biology I hope) - sure our brain is our weapon but we use it to further our own interests just as a Tiger does with its teeth.

Our "instinct" should be peace if that is what is at our base level but it isn't.

This planet makes you have to survive be it via weather, bacteria, environment or competition from other species.

Peeps of all belief systems seem to take issue with the whole "people are just animals" notion because it knocks us off of that pedestal of being chosen or special.

One of the reasons I'd love proof of Aliens is to show us that the human tribe is actually not so different to (Xetans, Thetans, Annunaki) whomever is out there.

We are capable of great things, science, music, philosophy but it's all a big bow on the basic need to survive & improve.

~

Animals are far more honest than we are.

The most spiritual species on the planet that I have ever met are Horses - its impossible not to be at peace around them - without words or language they radiate tranquillity.

Cats are like cats & make no apologies for it, dogs are dogs, but people ... apparently we are GODS ...!?


Just an opinion.

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[Gem]

Originally Posted by Lorelyen

Interesting, because quite honestly if "Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'.", then Ekhart Tolle has got it wrong.

It may be an essential aim but as essential nature it's too highly questionable. It would be stasis, a point at which 'experiencing' stops - because a) there's no need for further experiencing as there would be no further unknowns; b) what's around us doesn't stand still. One person's peace isn't another's which may be in conflict with ours unless we all reach a state of entropy in which nothing matters any longer; c) we'd have to assume every environment we enter brings no conflict thus nothing to resolve; and d) those who like a challenge (which could be seen as an arm of spiritual growth) will have to disturb their status quo to find it- or if thrown at them, are ready to meet it.

We can enjoy moments of peace; we have the capacity to be peaceful (could even be 'content') but that doesn't make it 'essential nature' which is to me balance and steady state... I am not unpeaceful most of the time because I make continual adjustments and put up with non-peace, just as one factor: having to work to earn to survive.

As I see it, anyway. But this is all too early. I need a bit of brekkies before going to zumba which will bring joy, exhilaration... but that isn't peace.
Mr Tolle needs to rethink his premise... he needs to be Tolled off!

Teehee .

[sky]

Originally Posted by happy soul

We've all heard the teaching 'just be', and maybe 'just be aware'. I've been contemplating the idea 'just be at peace' for a while.

It seems pretty easy to do, UNLESS you're upset in some way. Eckhart Tolle says that 'peace is our essential nature'. It can therefore be natural and effortless to just be at peace.

The teaching to 'rest in peace' is similar, and is definitely not merely a prayer for the dead, but an important approach to life and to one's moment to moment experience.

Here's the problem. WE LIKE DRAMA, CONFLICT, AND PROBLEMS.

U.G. Krishnamurti says that we love problems, and if we don't have one, we'll CREATE one.

It's like (and this may not apply to everyone, but it does to most people) we don't really, really and truly, WANT to be at peace.

If we can see this in ourselves, if we can recognize how we don't really want peace, maybe we can overcome it. If we practice the teaching to 'just be at peace', our tendency to AVOID peace will reveal itself, and then we can deal with that tendency - we can let it go.

We have to be willing.

' Rest in peace ' or Rest in the present, which comes first or are they both the same. From my own experiences I know that if I can accept internally what's happening externally then I am at peace with myself, but I can only do this by being present in the moment. Yin/Yang comes to mind.