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Originally Posted by Michael K.
There just
"IS" as the ancient occult wisdom said,"the ONE about which naught can be
said".
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Here are all the things I don't understand or am attempting to understand. And almost everyone says with certainty that it cannot be understood. But how are they so certain of this, if they themselves also don't understand?
I try to understand and approach it from many different angles. So sorry for the long post if its too long. I just have way more questions than answers. But sometimes my questions are just assumed answers with an invisible question mark, of incomplete knowing.
There are people (who claim that they don't exist) who talk about it. And who is telling these things? Well, no one. Literally no one is speaking. Or the speaking is nothing speaking. According to Mr. No one.
In a way that is somewhat confusing to me. As they also say that it cannot be known.
Like in my thread "Radical Nonduality Message". Where I shared the transciptions of "no one" speaking about it.
And the result is weird. When I read it. It's confusing.
Some say, only in spirit we can know the one without awareness.
And religion claims the same.
Talking about "God can/will only be known in the afterlife. But in this life we can only believe."
Then there is the question what they are referring to. The absolute that becomes known? Then how can it be absolute if it can be known?
If it is not the absolute, but rather, the primal awareness. Then they don't really refer to God in any way that is indicative of consciousness or awareness, in religion. It might be a consciousness and it might also be an absolute being with no freewill, but rather an archetype of the absolute. As can be known by awareness.
As soon as there is self and other than self, then there is awareness. This implies duality.
But how has this duality/awareness come about? No one can say. There seems to be a missing link between the unaware absolute and the relative duality awareness/consciousness. How does absolute lead to relative duality and consciousness?
And not talking about human awareness. Because we can say our spirit awareness of duality, created human awareness. But it has definitely not done this in order to know the absolute in the absolute sense of knowing, as that cannot be possible.
Yet how is it possible that the absolute, which can never be known, somehow gave rise to duality consciousness and awareness and relativity.
How does "no self, no other than self", lead to... "Self and other than self"?
Well, the craziest answer I've heard, might be the most probable one. In the thread "Radical Nonduality Message".
And that answer is very simple. "We do not exist. There is no awareness. There is only the absolute and duality does not exist."
That is the only possible explanation I've found that doesn't create the bridge/missing link, but it removes the need for a bridge altogether. Claiming only nonduality and absolute exists, and the rest does not actually exists. As duality and awareness are both not real and don't exist.
But they may only be talking about human awareness. In which case... They might consider the spirit to be absolute. And then we are left again with yet another absolute that turns out to actually also be a duality.
That's about as far as I have come in my understanding. All I understand are just more questions.
The radical nonduality message feels comfortable, as it sounds like someone speaking about it who truely knows what they are talking about. Untill they say that that is unfair and an appearance/illusion, and they truely don't understand. Or say "This (pointing at self) does not understand it."
One thing is sure. Whenever I think I understand it, the message turns that on its head and then I'm back at zero.
And then there are people who say that I will never understand it (the absolute). That even the quest to understand it, is wrong. It is simply nothing being everything. Or atleast they make it sound as if it is wrong to attempt to understand it. That it is backwards and negative.
And I can agree with that, atleast for the physical human being that we are.
But they do say that our spirit is as close as we can come to the absolute. As if it is an angel with no freewill, so intertwined with the absolute. And that it only has one quality: To simply be aware of the unity of all life as one. As an observer with no desire or free will, nor purpose.
And this again sounds allot like the message from "Mr No One". Which also claims there is no purpose or meaning to anything. It is "Just what is appearantly happening. Neither real nor unreal."
And this is the perspective I have at the moment. Not sure how I can move forward from here. As nonduality has no forward or backward. I can only assume the absolute is an unchanging newness. Or just my emotionless observer soul. That has no thought/emotion. Knows no time. No death. No desire. And yet brings about the human consciousness in much the same unknowable mysterious way that the absolute brought about that meaningless thoughtless purposeless desireless observer spirit/soul of us.