Is consciousness the real illusion

[anthony c]

Hi there.

According to non duality there is no ego but only consciousness or personal consciousness which when transcendent there is only pure consciousness.

According to this video that too is an illusion. What is your take on this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lm3G0_4YKU

It sounds to me like she's juxtaposing the relative and Absolute. Localized consciousness (the relative) is an illusion. It's Ahamkara (ego) appropriating the Absolute as its own as in "I am conscious".

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

It sounds to me like she's juxtaposing the relative and Absolute. Localized consciousness (the relative) is an illusion. It's Ahamkara (ego) appropriating the Absolute as its own as in "I am conscious".

Are you saying that change does not exist? So, are you able to traverse even beyond time and even space and even BE my thought stream without even the necessity of entering it?
What am I thinking of right now, (object and color and second object and its relative position to the first object and relative color)? I am even projecting the thought very VERY clearly to you now and giving full permission and consent to receive my thought form, for you to proof the oneness of your beingness. I am even applying universal laws (...) to ensure that you will receive my thought form. Which you will not only know, but you will BE the very definition of those universal Laws.

Tho I am dissapointed that you didnt see this question coming before hand, and yet, the burden of proof lies on you, so feel free to respond however you wish. It is going to be enlightening either way.

Whatever you say now is going to be either very funny. Or absolutely breathtaking valuable. I look forward to hearing from you.

[inavalan]

That was a waste of time ... Both the content and the presentation. Thanks.

[anthony c]

Originally Posted by inavalan

That was a waste of time ... Both the content and the presentation. Thanks.

See- Your ego is telling me it's a waist of time so you haven't even realised your ego is and illusion and yeah i know it's my ego telling you that but atleast i realise does not exist ;) If it goes over your head then i guess it's a waist of time. Your welcome..

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by anthony c

See- Your ego is telling me it's a waist of time so you haven't even realised your ego is and illusion and yeah i know it's my ego telling you that but atleast i realise does not exist ;) If it goes over your head then i guess it's a waist of time. Your welcome..

My ego isn't an illusion. It is a state of consciousness of my personality.

"atleast i realise does not exist"? That's called a "nonsense". You exist. That's one of the few things you can be sure of. Whatever you perceive is a creation of your subconscious, but that's something else. Even that isn't an illusion, just a subjective perception.

[anthony c]

Originally Posted by inavalan

My ego isn't an illusion. It is a state of consciousness of my personality.

"atleast i realise does not exist"? That's called a "nonsense". You exist. That's one of the few things you can be sure of. Whatever you perceive is a creation of your subconscious, but that's something else. Even that isn't an illusion, just a subjective perception.

Ego is like a rainbow you can see it but it is just an illusion of light and water.

Your ego is your personal awareness aware of your body, thoughts and feelings but they come and go but your awareness is always pressant even in deep sleep but there is nothing to be aware of. even your personal identity changes but consciousness remains.

It is always there so it's the only thing that never goes..

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by anthony c

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Obviously we disagree. This goes nowhere.

Originally Posted by anthony c

Ego is like a rainbow you can see it but it is just an illusion of light and water.

According to Jung the ego is the centre of the field of consciousness or your "Sense of I am'. How that translates into something more practical is that it's the 'interface' between your internal and external realities, so think of it as Windows on a PC or what you look at on your phone. How you interact with the outside world is via your ego and its 'contents', how the outside world interacts with your internal reality depends on your ego. If you're cocky you'll perceive this post in one way and how you perceive it will become part of your consciousness, if you lack self esteem the same post will enter your conscious in a very different fashion.

What goes in arises in your consciousness via the unconscious, what goes out is a 'reflection' of your consciousness. Nobody tells you that in these forums.

The ego is differentiated consciousness and that's what creates 'I', Duality, Spirituality and wars. The ego is also in a symbiotic relationship with the unconscious, so all kinds of stull that's been stuffed in there affects how you perceive yourself.

The self is undifferentiated consciousness and has no sense if itself, because that can't happen with undifferentiated consciousness. The self has resolved the paradox of the unconscious and the conscious, which so many Spiritual people can't seem to do and if they could they could actually 'have'/'be' non-Duality.

What we have here is a mind process trying to figure out what is so far from mind it would make your head spin, when all the time consciousness is sitting in the background with it's beer and popcorn. What Spirituality won't tell you because it seeks splendid isolation and not understanding is that the 'background' to consciousness is psychology, and what it also won't tell you is that the Spiritual technobabble in this thread is psychology in Sanskrit. That's one of the ways the differentiated consciousness of the ego manifests.

What is real or what is illusion is 'decided' by differentiated consciousness. Baby steps, folks.

[JustBe]

If invalan said it’s a waste of time, I’m not going to watch.

Even so some thoughts regardless.

Keep in mind a conscious act of describing experiences, has one purpose, to help you understand and familiarise with the spaciousness of consciousness. As you go deeper into spaceiouness as yourself, it doesn’t require an evaluation or a judgement or ammunition for the ego to compare it to anything. To me that’s simply falling back into the minds idea of the experience rather than just being aware of awareness. Hence it can turn into another trap, rather than becoming aware deeper of yourself moving in and out and potentially transcend that point.