Does ANYONE here believe JESUS was a savior?

Does anyone in these forums believe in the Christian teaching about JESUS being the "son of God" who supposedly died for our sins? I am just new and curious.

Thanks

DAVID

IMHO Jesus came to this world to save us of our 'sins', being that he helped us to remember who we are. Our sins are not rules set by some exterior source, but our very own creations in life. I think that is what he was trying to say.
Also, Jesus told us that he was the 'son of God' to show us that we are all 'sons and daughters' of God, a part of his teachings which were somehow left out of the bible.
Also, IMO; the reason he died on the cross to 'save our souls' from sin was just his way of showing us that we can accomplish anything. Jesus could have stopped his persecutors from nailing him to that cross at any moment he wished, though he chose to go through with it so that he could show us just how powerful we really are. By proceeding to get nailed to a cross, one of the most painful and drawn-out deaths of the time, he depicted himself as a 'saviour', he 'saved' us from our own limited beliefs about life.

A lot of the teachings in the bible have been edited out to suit the agenda of the church, and the prime beliefs distorted. Though some of the fragments of Jesus' life story can be glimpsed at if one understands what he was trying to teach and what he acheived in his life.

Enlightener

I totally agree with you enlightener Jesus is a savior of example. A living demonstration of how powerful choice can be. According to the Bible humans are the only creatures God made on earth with the power of choice.

It is my belief that having this powerful ability of choice,
"opens the door to many different realities."

Thank you enlightner, it feel so good to hear someone else say we all are the direct son's and daughter's of God. Jesus life here was an everlasting demonstration of faith, teaching us to know we are eternal. Just as Jesus was known for the mericle's he performed greater works we shall do also. I believe this fact is true.

Love to all
cw

Originally Posted by Enlightener

Also, Jesus told us that he was the 'son of God' to show us that we are all 'sons and daughters' of God, a part of his teachings which were somehow left out of the bible.

Not entirely left out, Enlightener.

There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
- Mark. Chapter 3. Verses 31-35 (KJV)

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.
- Romans. Chapter 8. Verses 16-17 (KJV)

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
- I John. Chapter 3. Verse 2. (KJV)

There are many other places in the Bible which say the same thing. My favorite, though, is this:

Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
- Matthew. Chapter 5. Verse 9. (KJV)

[Mother Goose]

Originally Posted by Enlightener

Jesus told us that he was the 'son of God' to show us that we are all 'sons and daughters' of God, a part of his teachings which were somehow left out of the bible.

Thank you for that!!! My dh & I got into a discussion about that...I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels that way!

Hey David,

If you had asked me that question 3 years ago I would have been very sceptical, I would probably have said that Jesus was a great man but that the church had so twisted his teachings that it was hard to know what he was. But now I would say this - Jesus whole life was a demonstration that we are all sons of God, he gave an example of what we are all capable of, an example that if we had not had it would have left us scratching around frustrated for ages. In this way he is undoubtadly a saviour, he brought a whole new way of being to the attention of everyone in the world and with the leaps being made in scientific understanding that are leading to an exponential explosion in meta awareness we are just about to see the benifits IMO.

Yes, I feel that Jesus was an Exemplar of the way of Divine Love, in relating to all men and women as brothers and sisters, and we can regard that principle as a saviour (if we are willing to take it up in our own lives); but the emphasis is still on "we must do it ourselves - no one can do it for us"; and if you regard us as being in an educational experience, that makes sense, in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by dreamer

Hey David,

If you had asked me that question 3 years ago I would have been very sceptical, I would probably have said that Jesus was a great man but that the church had so twisted his teachings that it was hard to know what he was. But now I would say this - Jesus whole life was a demonstration that we are all sons of God, he gave an example of what we are all capable of, an example that if we had not had it would have left us scratching around frustrated for ages. In this way he is undoubtadly a saviour, he brought a whole new way of being to the attention of everyone in the world and with the leaps being made in scientific understanding that are leading to an exponential explosion in meta awareness we are just about to see the benifits IMO.

I believe more or less the same as you do, Dreamer. Although I have been right around the houses before coming to my current conclusions about him - and reserve the right to change my mind again at any time, LOL!!!

I used to believe he was a fictional character too, AM, but now I feel differently. So many people were inspired to write down his teachings, and follow them, that the controlling patriarchy got scared & started to twist things. They only allowed certain 'books' and passages into the bible that they could best edit & fit in with their other teachings, but even so, they didn't do a very good job with all the contradictions in it!

Then things like the Gospel of Thomas came to light, with eye-openers such as "the kingdom of heaven is within you and all around you" and you think no wonder THAT was never allowed into the bible! How empowering for the masses to realise such things, lol.

I think it's possible that Mary Magdalene was another enlightened one, and that's why she's been branded a *****/prostitute by the church. Now there's an interesting historical character.....Jesus' wife & mother of the Merovingian bloodline apparently....? Hmmm....I also have my doubts about her though - especially as she was revered as the Knights Templar's goddess and they seem more than a little dodgy to me.

Originally Posted by Jaycee

I believe more or less the same as you do, Dreamer. Although I have been right around the houses before coming to my current conclusions about him - and reserve the right to change my mind again at any time, LOL!!!

I used to believe he was a fictional character too, AM, but now I feel differently. So many people were inspired to write down his teachings, and follow them, that the controlling patriarchy got scared & started to twist things. They only allowed certain 'books' and passages into the bible that they could best edit & fit in with their other teachings, but even so, they didn't do a very good job with all the contradictions in it!

Then things like the Gospel of Thomas came to light, with eye-openers such as "the kingdom of heaven is within you and all around you" and you think no wonder THAT was never allowed into the bible! How empowering for the masses to realise such things, lol.

I think it's possible that Mary Magdalene was another enlightened one, and that's why she's been branded a *****/prostitute by the church. Now there's an interesting historical character.....Jesus' wife & mother of the Merovingian bloodline apparently....? Hmmm....I also have my doubts about her though - especially as she was revered as the Knights Templar's goddess and they seem more than a little dodgy to me.

That's interesting!

The bit that stumps me is why so many deities born prior to Jesus were also born on the 25th December? And why the basic outline of their 'legend' correlates exactly with the stories of Jesus.

Maybe they were all real people with high spirits who were covered by a blanket of deceit.

Love and light,

AM

Originally Posted by Ascended Master

The bit that stumps me is why so many deities born prior to Jesus were also born on the 25th December? And why the basic outline of their 'legend' correlates exactly with the stories of Jesus.

I don't think that 'Jesus' was born on 25th December, or any of that fictional nonsense that makes up the official story. I'm inclined to think at the moment that his story was made to fit all of those other god/goddess stories so that they could turn him into a deity to control people and take away their own power. By doing this, many of his original teachings are distorted and don't make sense. Also, this ancient sun-god stuff is Pagan, and the Patriarchy needed to shape Christianity around all those beliefs in order for it to take off as a dominant religion. They had alot of work to do to get all of this to fit, but it worked for so long, didn't it?

@ traveller: Fair enough, you're knowledge of the bible is far superior to mine, LOL!

I still think this teaching is much clearer and more emphasised in other books that were rejected by the Council Of Nicea when they were deciding which ones would make up the bible as we know it today. And then there's the book of Enoch, with all it's alien & space-ship references, and other books referring to Mary Magdelene as Jesus' wife....aah! so many things to hide....

EDITED TO ADD: Just want to make clear that I appreciate many teachings belonging to the Christian faith, Paganism & many other religions.....I will take what resonates from any source, and disgard the rest.