Do you see Christ and self realisation as two different paths?

[Honza]

Must admit that I do. It is possible that Christ and Self Realisation end up at the same place, but they take two different paths to get there.

Self realisation first leads to the awareness of I AM, and can then go beyond that into complete union with God.

Christ first leads to all manner of Christian awakenings such as conscientiousness, social awareness, being inspired by the Holy Spirit and being filled with Charisma etc. Beyond that who knows? No one has ever come back to tell us!

It is like standing at a junction or crossroads wondering where these two roads go to.

[BigJohn]

If it wasn't for Judaism, would we even know about the I AM?
Would we have Angels?
Would we have Demons?

If it wasn't for Christianity, would we even know about the Holy Spirit?

But then, all roads might be going to the same place. Who knows?

[Honza]

I deliberately left Judaism and Islam out of the equation because I have no idea what their ambitions are or how they achieve those goals. Christ and self realisation have very clearly spoken goals. Other religions/paths less so.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Honza

Must admit that I do. It is possible that Christ and self realisation end up at the same place,
but they take two different paths to get there.

It is like standing at a junction or crossroads wondering where these two roads go to.

Well! This is one of your more fascinating topics!
And I love your honesty that you do see 2 diff paths possibly going to the same place.
Also glad you said Christ and did not bring in Christianity, the religion.

First, I'd want to comment since you used a small s ;)
you are talking about realizing who you are...
not Who the True Self is, The One Self that is within us all, or the One Consciousness, right?
(Sorry, I don't want to muddy-up the topic.)
(Note: Honza changed s to a Cap S for Self..good, :)
but I will leave what I said hours ago anyway, Lol, who cares!]**

Now, I find Eastern ideas in most everything Jesus teaches, (will comment on this later);
Thomas Merton, d 1968, Catholic Trappist Monk saw tons, also.

In deliberate Self-realization you eventually do find yourself at the One, like looking into a mirror...and that is the intention;
you find out you have been the One experiencing all you have, all along.
Jesus's path (as I see it) is more of, 'I and my Father are separate...yet we are one'.
Subtle difference.
Jesus does not say the Goal is Union with the Creator, Father God.
Self-realization is more clear on that --- God is within us realize it and
realize Who You Are. (MY simplistic words.)

You were correct to concentrate only on this ..not spin off on Judaism or even the Holy Spirit.
This is enough to handle!!

**Added: This is where I will reveal to this gang that my Eng Lit, minor influences me
sometimes here...I try to keep it under wraps.
When you get an F on an excellent, masterful paper because you
wrote 'to' instead of 'too'..or 's' instead of 'S', ya get a bit PTSD about things!!! Hahahaha.. but, hey,
at least you're not married to me, right?

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

...But then, all roads might be going to the same place. Who knows?

Who knows? The person that has walked both paths. :)

[sky]

Originally Posted by Honza

Must admit that I do. It is possible that Christ and self realisation end up at the same place.

Self realisation first leads to the awareness of I AM, and can then go beyond that into complete union with God.

Jesus said 'I and my Father are one'. I as in Form, and the Father as Formless.. Human Nature/Spiritual Nature.

The Christian take: Galatians 2:20…..”I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.”

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by Molearner

The Christian take: Galatians 2:20…..”I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.”

About who/what was is he talking?

[Altair]

They are different. Christ is a title, self realization is supposed to be the end of a journey.

Originally Posted by BigJohn

If it wasn't for Judaism, would we even know about the I AM?
Would we have Angels?
Would we have Demons?

Yes! Belief in benevolent and malevolent spirits is a worldwide belief.
Unless you delve into too much detail, then there will be differences.

[sky]

Originally Posted by Altair

They are different. Christ is a title

Not to Christians. Christ is used by Christians as both a Name and a Title forJesus.