Maya is OBVIOUS!

Shivani Devi · #1 31-01-2017, 10:08 AM

Namaste.

Never before, in the history of the world have we seen what is occurring now.

We have all been rudely awakened to the whole nature of subjective realities and alternative 'facts' and 'truths'.

We can see very plainly that things we hold to be 'true' can be deemed false through a different perceptual lens.

We have seen political and social unrest and upheavals. We have seen lies that people believe because it is true for them...which leaves us asking 'what is truth' and 'where did it go?'

Thing is it has always been there, just not in any way as it relates to the world as it is.

If we are seeking an absolute in this world, there aren't any - not that there ever was, but people are making a bigger display of that now more than ever.

Which leads to the ultimate realisation "AHA! nothing is 'true' because everything is Maya" can it be any more obvious when you look at the state of affairs in the world today? It is almost like the whole of society is totally advertising the fact that existence is an illusion.

If people cannot see this now, with everything that is going on around them, they are just as blind as those who believe their 'personal truths' are reality.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Jeremy Bong · #2 31-01-2017, 10:41 AM

Maya.

I have the pleasure to respond to you. Your question is all truth can be false or maya.

I can see what you meant. You're here now but hundred of years later you're supposed not to be here but you have been here that's the fact. But at that moment you can't be not here, or it's not?

Your question is now you're here, now you're not here, so can it be like that? I think it's more possible that now you're here afterward you can be not here , maybe that's what you mean by maya. Otherwise just explain to us what in you point by maya, can it be at the same time? If not it isn't maya that's time shifting the existence.

bloke · #3 31-01-2017, 10:41 AM

Well, as Johnny Rotten once said, "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?".

Ground · #4 31-01-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Necromancer

... the fact that existence is an illusion.

That would be the extreme opposed to 'real truth' and still to be called 'not-knowing' (sometimes called 'ignorance' in buddhism).
However existence is not an illusion but existence is similar to an illusion. Why? Because things exist, however they do not exist the way they appear to exist.

Shivani Devi · #5 31-01-2017, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ground

That would be the extreme opposed to 'real truth' and still to be called 'not-knowing' (sometimes called 'ignorance' in buddhism).
However existence is not an illusion but existence is similar to an illusion. Why? Because things exist, however they do not exist the way they appear to exist.

Yes. We call that one Mithya (false perception) and it IS a more accurate representation of affairs than the term 'Maya'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

...and then there's this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhyasa

Shivani Devi · #6 31-01-2017, 11:22 AM

I guess I could just retreat back into the whole; "it is totally symptomatic of Kali Yuga" and be done with it.

Jeremy Bong · #7 31-01-2017, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ground

That would be the extreme opposed to 'real truth' and still to be called 'not-knowing' (sometimes called 'ignorance' in buddhism).
However existence is not an illusion but existence is similar to an illusion. Why? Because things exist, however they do not exist the way they appear to exist.

What's "not knowing" mean here? Why not called them idiots that's personal problems not the perception matter. It should be universal and what you said is only by some people only.

What's "don't exist the way they appear to exist"? Do you mean he will marry that girl but my Cupidson's arrow shot wrongly so she married other then it's called maya? What heck can it be?

wstein · #8 31-01-2017, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Necromancer

We can see very plainly that things we hold to be 'true' can be deemed false through a different perceptual lens.

Truth in the sense described in this thread does change with point of view. However, merely 'deeming' things 'true' does not necessarily make them 'true' from ANY perspective.

Sometimes (often lately) people are not making statements of 'truth', not even their own truth. Even though they present things as statements of truth, they are actually making political or emotional appeals.

There is a distinction between stating (personal) truth and asserting that something should be true. This seems to be a difficult thing to distinguish for most people.