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Old 13-12-2014, 12:18 AM
wanchain wanchain is offline
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safety, accidents, and incidents

I work in the oil and gas industry, hence we have a lot of operations in the oilsands and shale basins. My employer has a strong safety culture which everyone in the company is to follow.

This is where I have a bit of a problem. To me, everything seems almost like common sense, not something that we need to take courses on. I thought it is natural that if something is dangerous, our awareness would alert us to be more careful. When I say common sense, I am also referring to the non-intellect senses that we have.

Also, there's no such thing as accidents and coincidences, as everything has a reason to be. So the idea of safety does but also doesn't make sense to me.
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Old 16-12-2014, 11:59 PM
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Not everybody is graced with "common sense" (unfortunately) and I can't understand why you have a problem with your employers "strong health & safety culture".

If "the idea of safety doesn't make sense to you" then I am glad I am not one of your co-workers.

We have Health & Safety Laws for a reason and every employer and employee must abide by them.
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Old 17-12-2014, 02:30 PM
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Also, there's no such thing as accidents and coincidences, as everything has a reason to be. So the idea of safety does but also doesn't make sense to me.

Not so sure I agree. Random events that adversely affect a person? Perhaps it's just me but I can't subscribe to everything being predetermined. Coincidences happen mainly because we spot them. But they do happen.


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Old 17-12-2014, 04:40 PM
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Not everybody is graced with "common sense" (unfortunately) and I can't understand why you have a problem with your employers "strong health & safety culture".

If "the idea of safety doesn't make sense to you" then I am glad I am not one of your co-workers.

We have Health & Safety Laws for a reason and every employer and employee must abide by them.

Yes, I know what you mean. That's why I said it does, and also doesn't, make sense to me.

The existence of this concept of safety implies that you have to actively try to go against something, like swimming upstream. A lot of the procedures, and also laws in place, for safety reasons are going overboard, to the point that it doesn't make sense. For instance, it is illegal to keep the car idling for more than three minutes, for safety reasons.

Anyway, there are many such examples. The details are not important, but the point I want to make is, the fact that these laws and procedures are in place suggests that people are not exercising enough common sense, and not being fully present to their surroundings.

We have sensors built-in to sense danger. So just use our senses, and we shall be safe.
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Old 17-12-2014, 04:43 PM
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Not so sure I agree. Random events that adversely affect a person? Perhaps it's just me but I can't subscribe to everything being predetermined. Coincidences happen mainly because we spot them. But they do happen.



When we don't understand something, we call it magic, mystery, supernatural, accident, coincidence, or whatever.

If something is relatively inconsequential, yes, it is just chance or random. If it is significant, there must be a larger force behind it to transform the meaning/reason to matter/physicality.
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Old 18-12-2014, 03:05 PM
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In a world which we don't understand, there may well be random events. The idea of safety, then, is important. In the Buddhist belief system, it is believed that we are reincarnated again and again until we "get it". Under that view, there is room for both a purpose in our lives and the possibility of things happening at random (because they won't end our path since we'll eventually be reborn). Saying "everything happens for a reason, so big occurrences in life cannot be avoided" is a human assumption. It is much better to act based on what you know and not be careless so that you can get the most out of this life without exposing yourself to lessons on why not to be careless!

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Old 18-12-2014, 11:27 PM
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In a world which we don't understand, there may well be random events. The idea of safety, then, is important. In the Buddhist belief system, it is believed that we are reincarnated again and again until we "get it". Under that view, there is room for both a purpose in our lives and the possibility of things happening at random (because they won't end our path since we'll eventually be reborn). Saying "everything happens for a reason, so big occurrences in life cannot be avoided" is a human assumption. It is much better to act based on what you know and not be careless so that you can get the most out of this life without exposing yourself to lessons on why not to be careless!

-TaoSandwich

What I meant is, everything happens for a reason, and we create every moment of our lives, either consciously or unconsciously.

So we can create our future. We just have to consistently project the desires we want, and stop fueling conflicting and negative thoughts.

I thought it is natural and part of our sense to create a favorable/desirable future, hence the need to install safety procedures and foster a safety culture is redundant. It's like setting standards and procedures to eat, when it is a natural and instinctive tendency to eat when we are hungry. Something like that ... not sure if I am articulating it clearly enough or not.
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Old 19-12-2014, 12:03 AM
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Not everyone is born with common sense just leave it at that . . .
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Old 19-12-2014, 10:09 PM
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Wanchain,

In my experience, our inner world can influence the outer, but it is nowhere near as simple as thinking things into existence. We influence our future with our thoughts, we don't create it. I would imagine your own personal experience bears this out as well. Also , one can divide the world into components of thought and action. We influence our world with an appropriate mix of right thought and right action... Each in its own time.

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Old 20-12-2014, 01:55 AM
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Wanchain,

In my experience, our inner world can influence the outer, but it is nowhere near as simple as thinking things into existence. We influence our future with our thoughts, we don't create it. I would imagine your own personal experience bears this out as well. Also , one can divide the world into components of thought and action. We influence our world with an appropriate mix of right thought and right action... Each in its own time.

-TaoSandwich

A therapist said, pay attention to every negation (negative statement) you made, and reflect on it.

My understanding is that our life circumstances are settings decided by our higher selves, and perhaps some other beings who collaborated with us. I did question why I had such a ****ty life, but with time I come to understand it more. Our human mind cannot readily comprehend things that our higher minds do.

We create and co-create everything. Some tend to disempower themselves thinking that they cannot create and thus renounce themselves to being a follower instead. But that is a choice, whether conscious or unconscious. You can choose to step into your own power, and be a creator instead of a follower.

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