Saami People of Norway, Finland and Sweden and Joiking

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Originally Posted by eezi-ulgen

I don't really know those terms...(‘assemblage-point of nondual awareness’) especially assemblage point, though I have a guess of what they mean...
Methinks Mooji has jokes..LOL

I guess I had a Mooji-like – a bit funny moment a day before yesterday.

Was walking by the road and saw a lady step out of her car ahead of me. From a distance there was nothing about her physical appearance to betray her, but her energy-field read: “real estate agent” (“seeing” first).
And it was kind of funny, because the situation was like an actor on the stage playing Hamlet forgetting themselves and thinking they are Hamlet. Her identification was that complete, she lives and breathes real estate. It gave her her identity, validity, occupation, it informed her every attitude, move, even down to the tilt of her head was how a real estate agent looks at things, when she said hello. (“looking at details of the seen” second).
Then when I walked past her car, it had her real estate logo painted on the side of it, heh.

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In my experience, in an indigenous setting; - lots and lots of mirth is always created when we start believing we are Hamlets. That fun poking is “deadly” but never malicious, it just brings one back to the awareness we all share in.

I am not witty, but I can imagine Mooji playing a real estate agent back to the real estate agent, once she has realized the stage – so to speak, when she too can see the funny side of taking her role too seriously.

So. In this story, there are like 2 “assemblage points of awareness”. The one that thinks he/she is a Hamlet and the other, the awareness of the shared stage the roleplaying takes place.

Not sure if I expressed it properly.

It seems Mooji and Spira both bring about the same message, though a bit differently.

This message is a like a waterproof formula, but at a closer look some holes begin to appear imho.
So, it always pays to discern ….

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Continued ...

Not everybody has their occupation written all over their auric field like a neon sign, but the way we are cut off from the open field, from the shared awareness space stands out like a sore thumb.
In hierarchical societies there is a lot of peer pressure to be or to become 'somebody'.
Somehow this is seen as some kind of an individual freedom, when actually this somebody-in-the world identity is a straight-jacket.

In a (hunter-gatherer, animist origin) egalitarian society laughter at people/ourselves trying to be somebodies is a form of social control I suppose. It frees the individual to be themselves who they are, but one doesn’t have to become/do ‘somebody’ in the process, the laughter is the sword that cuts it down.

When one is an indigenous person, one doesn’t need to make one’s indigenousness into an occupation of doing important indigenous-somebody-self-image in the world.
When this happens, one is once again straight-jacketing one’s self and cutting it off from the open field, from the shared awareness space ….
And this being nobody in a shared awareness space is the best indigenous tribes offer, in my experience.

I am glad Mooji addresses this, from 12:36 ->:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqtp...hannel=Moojiji

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More on the “energy double” as “self” …..

It seems the best ‘proof’ about the energy double’s, the shadow soul/self’s non-existing existence is the ‘self’ experienced during NDEs.
(This is not to be confused with the Jungian shadow. For example, our word for umbrella literally translated is “rain shadow” – shadow meaning shade, shelter, protection, to guard ….)
This double is basically the same NDE self, but now freed from the body its psychic abilities multiply many folds.
I guess, that is why people, like the Mongolian shamans channel departed shamans.
Departed do see into our future, see illnesses before they manifest, know cures etc. and distance viewing is a breeze – instant.
Personally, I wouldn’t be interested, but I can see/understand practical usages of it.

The ‘energy double’ is in a funny spot – in between existence and non-existence, but with a twist.
To the energy double physical existence doesn’t exist – because it does …. and the energy double does exist – because it doesn’t.
Sounds like a word game, but it isn’t.
The energy double is seen to be more real than the physically manifested ‘dream’.

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For Aborigines the double is tied to the totems.

What I understood James Cowan to say in “Aborigine Dreaming”, was that identifying with ‘something other’ than one’s physically manifested persona allows a person the opportunity to transcend ordinary reality in an act of union (of physical and transcendental dimensions/realities).
From Aboriginal point of view not to have a double or shadow in the world is seen to be condemned to an inferior existence governed by physical sense realities only. The totemic “double” thus acts as an “intermediary” between physical and other; transcendental/spatial dimensions.

And one can at times see this totemic double superimposed on a traditional person’s auric field.

From the old, old totemic system we too have a soul part called “Nature”, which the shaman raises when shamanizing, which takes the animal form …….

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Frank Diaz ("The Gospel of the Toltecs, Quetzalcoatl's Avatars and Toltec Wisdom: The Original Teachings of Quetzalcoatl"). explained that Tonalli comes from Ton, which is seen. It represents the visible side of the world and the conscious experience. Nagual comes from Nau, which is not seen. Other names for the Nagual are “the shade, the double, the animal”.

None of these Saami, Aboriginal, Toltec doubles are the same explanations, but I do feel we are barking at a similar tree.

Frank went on further to explain that it is impossible not to have a double, because our nature is not only physical, but physical-energetic. The double is a stranger whilst we do not perceive its existence. To realize it is to put it in activity, that is to say, to extend the reaches of our perceptual sphere. The double is not a subject of belief but a function.

This is very true for the Saami/Karelian understanding of the double as well.

North Amerinds – I do not know. I’ve only experienced some having strong/aware doubles. So, it must be in the culture there somewhere … but awareness of that double is not present if a person acts the Amerind-physical identity data-bank-mind only. How to say it?

[eezi-ulgen]

Post#162 Mooji is funny, I teared up with joy...He does point people to nothing which is the door to the Absolute and when people realize they/I am has been holding the door open all along so they can play a person it's freeing and funny how Mooji does his pointing...
Post#163 I might have to chew on this one a bit...
Though, I could only relate it to sitting on the ground being aware of my sitting self and at the same time traveling through the smoke hole and being aware of that self too which feels greatly expanded and pure beaming with a Spiritual essence which one might call Power...So feeling both self's at the same time...As far as NDE goes I felt a part of me washed away like and was only my expanded self..The other felt heavier and more Earthy...
I don't know if I know shadow language very well...Though I did think you were talking spider language or at least it sounded like spiders to me, in a trickster kinda way...
Sentient spidey quote...LOL : The ‘energy double’ is in a funny spot – in between existence and non-existence, but with a twist.
To the energy double physical existence doesn’t exist – because it does …. and the energy double does exist – because it doesn’t.
Sounds like a word game, but it isn’t.
Which I Loved reading by the way...

Alright, I always feel how my words fall short of what I am trying to say
but then I am amazed that this chicken scratch called words can be understood at all to communicate...

...Peace...