Reincarnation

[Richie]

Hi Guys,

just like your views on this one.

I did not believe in reincarnation untill I started to understand my psychic abilities and I now see that there is some type of afterlife and I guess the posibility that one soul can chose to reincarnate to futher there experiences of the earth and gain knowledge.

However I am the surviving child of triplets. My bothers/Sisters siblings lost there life at 5 months gestation and left me to live this life with a massive sence of loss. Now why would the souls of the bothers/sisters have chosen to return to earth for knowledge - only to lose their lives and return to the spiritual world before even being born ?

Now surely thats a debate starter.

Richie.

[angelicious]

Now why would the souls of the bothers/sisters have chosen to return to earth for knowledge - only to lose their lives and return to the spiritual world before even being born ?

Hiya Richie,

It's my view, that sometimes souls come back to this realm to serve, and to learn something, and to teach us something in the process. My theory is that souls already know what they can gain from all the experiences of the lives they choose (even the shortest lived ones), and choose according to the benefits it will serve to become full (keep in mind it's only a theory).

Because this experience is unique to you, and also, unique for each of your parents, and each of the departed siblings, there are aspects of life that each of your spirits will experience individually.

For example, the siblings purpose in life might have been to learn the power of "letting go" by letting go of 'life' which is something that some would consider painful & difficult to do. By doing this, it would have affected the parents. The mother who went through the pains of childbirth & losing children that only she could experience. The father would've experiences it in different ways. And of course, the serviving siblings & extended families, all of which are sharing the experience but in different ways.

Though your lives are intertwined, the experiences you each have is different and the reactions or handling of it will vary, it isn't a random act of God. I feel that all of this is meant to be, each and every moment that was, that is, and that is yet to come will be.

[peteyzen]

Hio Richie,Sorry to hear about your siblings. My answer to your question would be this, souls have choices, of course, they are also subject to the twin laws of karma and attraction. Although I cant say for sure, it is possible that these souls returned to life this time to pay of a final piece of karma, possibly this was linked to an attraction to you, I can only guess.

We all have karmic debts to pay off and this plane is where those debts (good and bad) are resolved, and also created.
Hope this helps
One thing to add, there is no loss, please do not forget that these souls are with you, ultimately they are one with you, just not physically.

love and light
Peteyzen

[Richie]

Thanks guys,

I understand your post Angelicious and perhaps you could be right, but sheeesh what a lot to go though to not even survive till birth.

Peteyzen, I don't know too much about Karma, but can this be carried throught the spirit world to the next life? I thought the spirit world was not negative and therefore there would not be debts to pay off, one would have to do that during his or hers life.

Anyway if this is ture, and the two souls gave up their life to repay debts, since they were my triplet brothers or sisters, would that mean that I could have given up this life to repay a debt or did I perhaps chose to continue this life and have a rough time of it, I must say that this life so far has not been rewarding and has been extreemly hard on me.

Richie.

[Maranda]

The karmic debt is something we owe ourselves not someone or something else. I have learned that with enough courage I don't need Karma.

[Maranda]

Richie,

I feel the existence of entities. Others will have their own words for these entities. I struggled for a long time with the terminology while trying to explain spiritual things.

Let me try to explain -

None of us are new, the body is new but what we seekers are dealing with within and struggling to understand, is not new.

Most people are happy to live their lives on auto-pilot. Then there are those of us who had something happen to us that awoke something in us causing us to become aware of more than ourselves. Perhaps we had a tough childhood or were in some kind of an accident that caused that part of us to awaken.

Lets get back to your siblings.

This may seem quite fanciful but -

Your mum may not have been strong enough to carry all three. Or the entities preparing to enter the new bodies may have known what hard work even what hardship it might have been for your parents to bring up three children. Perhaps the entities in their Godly wisdom knew that it would be best for all concerned to allow only one new body to proceed. Perhaps yours was the youngest entity, the one that would benefit the most from living and learning in this life time.

Just a few thoughts.

[Muddler]

Richie, at the risk of criticism, why not go to a really good medium & find out from these souls why they chose to end their lives when they did? It will give you a lot of peace. Remember that all these decisions, made in the spirit world, are based on love. They had good reason. Part of that reason may be to have you ask the questions you're asking.

[Richie]

Hi,

Thank you all for your posts. I do understand what you are saying now and can see why they could have chosen to to proceed.

Muddler, yes I have thought of seeing a medium, but was hoping I could contact them myself as I have always had mediumistic qualities from birth and I am now learning how to better these qualities. However this training takes quite a long time and I dont think that I can find out info on myself though. But yes seeing someone may be a good idea.

Love to all,

Richie

[spiritalk]

Perhaps considering the spirit apart from the material/physical body, gives another view to reincarnation. Because spirit guides visit us says more to the continuous existence of the soul than reincarnation. The place? Why the spirit realms, where our spirit goes when we have disconnected from the physical body. Why would spirit guide connection have anything to do with reincarnation?

God bless, J

[lightworker]

Hi richie,
I don't know if you've heard of him, but i've read a couple of excellent books on reincarnation by Dr michael Newton, journey of souls and destiny of souls. After reading these books, i felt i had a much clearer picture of why bad things happen in life. They happen for a really good reason, we learn from them (even though it's really hard at the time). When you finally go home to the spirit world, you will understand everything perfectly and it will all make sense. I totally agree with Muddler, everything is based on love in the spirit world, so have faith my friend, you will find out why one day :O)

[Richie]

Hi Lightworker,

Nice to see a fellow Aussie on board. I haven't read any of Dr Newtons books but i'll be sure to look them up.

Thanks.

[elaine]

Interesting reads, one little question......If a person took their own life by suicide, would their soul be able to reincarnate?

thanks

[Richie]

Hi,

I have heard that apparently the soul does a complete backflip and is reincarnated back to a similar life that they ended. As this was the knowledge the soul needed in the first life, they straight away return to live it again. So I guess suicide is not a way out, but a longing of the life that drove them to it, I only hope that the people who have comited suicide, find a better way through the life the second time round.

On a personal note also. I myself have tried to commit suicide, and It is not the easy way out and I shame anyone who believes that. A person who comes to the conclusion that suicide is the way to end their problems really needs help and to believe that there is no other way to resolve their problems is a terrifying and very sad thought.

Love to all ,
Richie

[lightworker]

I agree with you Richie, from all the books i've read about suicide i think souls do pretty well come back straight away after a life review with their guides.

[Enlightener]

Hey Ritchie, you live close to me.

I think that you will discover that the being who commits suicide is still in complete free will as to what it chooses to do next. And usually that souls intention (which is to evolve), being delayed, they would choose to continue that experience of themselves. It is true that you can come back into the same body but this is not a restriction, but a choice.


Conversely (?!_), why would you shame anyone who is trying to find some peace. From a certain perspective suicide could become a very friendly option. And I am sure that you could think of at least a couple of scenarios where death would be more desirable than life.


A suicide to escape is one that does not work, a suicide to create and experience is one in which you may move forward.

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Enlightener



Hi,

I have heard that apparently the soul does a complete backflip and is reincarnated back to a similar life that they ended. As this was the knowledge the soul needed in the first life, they straight away return to live it again. So I guess suicide is not a way out, but a longing of the life that drove them to it, I only hope that the people who have comited suicide, find a better way through the life the second time round.

On a personal note also. I myself have tried to commit suicide, and It is not the easy way out and I shame anyone who believes that. A person who comes to the conclusion that suicide is the way to end their problems really needs help and to believe that there is no other way to resolve their problems is a terrifying and very sad thought.

Love to all ,
Richie

[Richie]

Hi Enlightener,

Nice to see a fellow Aussie.

Im only talking about what I have read, but I can see how your version would make more sense that if the soul wants to return to a similar life then there is always the option. However If they choose to gain knowledge of whatever was so bad that made them commit suicide - then wouldn't they want to accomplish gaining that knowledge ? Anyway I guess we will never know.

About my part on Suicide - I think you had taken my words the wrong way and I wish to clarify.

I do not shame anyone who commits suicide, I shame people who think badly of suicide and say that people who commit suicide are taking the easy way out. I feel to come to the conclusion that the best thing to do is end you life must be the hardest thing to ever do as a mortal being.

and Yes I agree that there are people that are left suffering on this earth where euthenasia (suicide) may be best for them.

Thanks for prompting me to clarify this and I hope I make sence now, we are talking about having the same views.

Richie

[Maranda]

elaine,

"If a person took their own life by suicide, would their soul be able to reincarnate?"

Yes. There is nothing to stop them. Everything they did here, they did because that is why they came here.

[Maranda]

Richie,

I hope you heard wrong. I wouldn't like to think of my abusive father who committed suicide coming back to treat some other family the way he treated us.

I understand so much more now and I have forgiven him. And I understand just as he had to do what he did to learn the lessons he had to learn, we had to go through what we did to learn the lessons we did.

I wondered about incarnation for a long time then I had a wonderful dream. Rather difficult to put into words but try to imagine this.....

A bowl of rice crispies with their snap crackle and pop! Like in the old advert.

I saw a huge fluffy cloud covered in tiny sparkles of glitter and they were all snap crackling and popping all over the place! Some coming and some going, fast, all the time, none stop. It was a wonderful sight.

They are beautiful, they are all beautiful, and they pop in and out of bodies, the lessons they come to learn are picked up in an instant, there is no time as we know it, a life time for us is a split second to them.

That's the best way I can describe it. I hope it doesn't sound too flaky.

[Richie]

Hi Maranda,

Thanks for your insight and sorry to hear about your Father.

We all know that a soul that has commited suicide in the last life has the option to reincarnate. All souls are the same and no matter what is done during the last life they will always be peaceful and loving on the other side.

However I have read that commiting suicide forces the soul back into a life similar to the one it just left. I dont mean the person will be the same as before and commit suicide again but the basic structure of the person would be the same as in race or person poor or rich and so on. Of course the info I read could be wrong and im not debating this at all.

Also another thing that I dont understand is when the soul has chosen their next life to learn and gain knowledge from. How can a spiritual being that knows no hatred or negative thoughts come up with a life where they say I will treat my family badly, I will hurt people and i will end my live by suicide.

As I said I'm not disagreeing with you, just hard to understand i guess.

Richie

[tiltjlp]

We all know that a soul that has commited suicide in the last life has the option to reincarnate. All souls are the same and no matter what is done during the last life they will always be peaceful and loving on the other side.

Richie

Don't you think it's a bit presumptous to say "We all know" when clearly you can only speak for yourself? And since I'm sure not everyone believes that reincarnation is Optional, I don't feel your statement holds much water.

John

[Richie]

Hey John,

Yes - you right, my wording in that statment was totally wrong. I meant to say that I agree with Maranda that the soul has the option to reincarnate. and that we both are on the same line of thought.

I guess none of us can "know" truly, and each to their own belief.

Well it was late when I posted so my mind was ready for sleep, thanks for giving the option to refrase.

Richie.

[tiltjlp]

No problem Richie,

I figure if something doesn't make sense to me it might confuse a few other folks too.

John