Shadow spirits and Succubus

[Sangress]

I'm not sure where to put this, so if anyone thinks its in the wrong place and would like the move it then feel free.

I am attempting to research Shadow spirits, which are similar to shadow people....only they don't look human at all and have probably never been incarnated. I'm specifically interested in so called Shadow Demons, but we all know how labels can muddy the waters so eh.

Succubus/incubus have also piqued my interest lately and thankfully I've had a little more luck finding information about them that the Shadow Spirits.

Has anyone got any information, internet links, theories or experiences they would like to share?

[Goldenstairs]

I have encountered Demons and I could see them in my head very clear.
I wonder if I have encountered an incubus.I felt him.

[Sangress]

What made you think they were demons? What did they look like? What situation were you in?

[A peaceful mind.]

First of all before attempting to explore Deamons and shadow stuff have you protection ready. Be aware that the dark side has its way to creep under you skin if you aren't careful enough.

Many have tried to seek knowledge within these areas - Could I ask you a question? what are you truly motivations for this?

When dealing with Demons be aware they use every hole they can so haven't you evolved fully, it could end badly.

If you still have something to fear or have problems with greed or lust don't do this. and my last advice don't do this alone if you aren't fully ready.

Sorry I know this seam harsh - I just felt like writhing this.

take care

Love and peace

A Peaceful Mind

[illusion]

First of all before attempting to explore Deamons and shadow stuff have you protection ready. Be aware that the dark side has its way to creep under you skin if you aren't careful enough.


Couldn't agree more with this statement. Please take every precaution to protect yourself during your research.

I have tried finding information about shadow people and the like myself, and came up empty. There are plenty of anecdotes of people's experiences with them, but not much hard facts or information. If you find anything of interest please let us know :smile:

The only advice I can offer about shadow beings is based on my own experiences, but these are just my own conclusions and opinions.

I have seen what you are describing, the shadow shapes that are not human-looking, or are smaller than a human being. I have also seen the shadow people, the ones that have a human silhouette. I don't know what they are, or where they come from.

I do know with all shadow entities, at best you are dealing with a being who is lost and confused, and is latching on to you as a source of energy because they are starved for light. At worst, you are dealing with something filled with hate and anger, that will actively try to harm you, even physically. I can generally tell one from the other by the feel of the room when they are present. If it feels like all the air has been sucked from the room, and there is a heavy weight pressing down on you, watch out. These are the beings that have a lot of power and negativity focused on you. Every time I have encountered one of these, I generally end up having an "accident" the next day, where I am either physically injured, or have some kind of car accident or other mishap. So please be very careful. I am not trying to scare you away from what you are doing, just urging you to be serious and understand what you are dealing with.

The very best "weapon" that you have when dealing with any negative entity, is compassion. as soon as I stopped feeling fear or anger at shadow beings, they completely lost their power over me. What I direct to them instead is sympathy for their suffering, and encouragement toward healing. Occasionally I will also create a doorway filled with light in my mind's eye, and ask them to walk through it, that there are friends and loved ones waiting for them on the other side. This seems to cause an increase in anger and attacking incidents, but I still think it's good to try. It is important though that if you are going to work with these entities in any way, that you understand that they have the ability to manipulate you and feed off of your emotions and energy. I always state clearly to whatever entity is in my presence "I don't allow you to harm me." Treat them the way you would treat an abusive relative. Offer love, but don't be a victim!

I think it's important for you to do some cleansing and protecting activities also, whatever prayers, visualizations, or anything that is consistent with your personal belief system. Call on guides or angels to protect you if that is your thing. But most important of anything, please make sure to assert your own will when you are confronting any negative entity. You must state very clearly to yourself, and to it "I will not allow you to harm me." If you begin to feel very depressed or very angry for no reason after encountering one of these beings, please state "I don't allow you to inhabit me. Go now."

These are things that work for me.

Best of luck. Stay safe.

[SunMist]

I can generally tell one from the other by the feel of the room when they are present. If it feels like all the air has been sucked from the room, and there is a heavy weight pressing down on you, watch out. These are the beings that have a lot of power and negativity focused on you.


I know someone, a real physical person, who is suspected of having an entity attachment (loooong story) and there are times when I interact with her that I feel exactly that. I have consulted people who are willing and able to help clean my energy up, but they tell me they can't help her unless she comes to them. And let's just say that is unlikely. Any advice either to help her or me in interacting with her? Oh and is it possible that what I'm experiencing is just her personality - does those heavy, air sucked out feelings necessarily imply spirit involvement?

And to Sangress, why would you seek these things out? What do you hope for?

[Sangress]

Any advice either to help her or me in interacting with her? Oh and is it possible that what I'm experiencing is just her personality - does those heavy, air sucked out feelings necessarily imply spirit involvement?
Maybe finding out more about her and whether shes aware of how she affects others might be a good way to go.

I personally have a very dark and heavy suffocating air about me (or so I'm told) and I know I have no spirit attachments....so who knows? it could just be part of who she is.

And to Sangress, why would you seek these things out? What do you hope for?
To be perfectly honest, these beings and what I've felt and heard of them are very striking to me. I am strongly drawn to them. They feel familiar and I recodnise and converse with them easily. They are like family to me.

I also seek them out because I can be myself around them without worrying that I'll affect them negatively as I naturally do with so many others. I don't need to guard myself around them or hold back. It's quite difficult to explain...

At this point I am more interested in others opinions and perceptions of such things than anything else.

[illusion]

To be perfectly honest, these beings and what I've felt and heard of them are very striking to me. They feel familiar and I am strongly drawn to them. They feel like family to me. Like I can just be myself around them without worrying that I'll affect them negatively as I naturally do with so many others.


I understand. In a way I sort of feel the same way. even though I consider myself on the "light" side, I spent many years walking a very dark path. I know what it's like to be in that mental space, and I have a lot of compassion for shadow beings or other humans who are on that wavelength. I also consider the shadows to be a part of my family, only because I am not able to exclude any part of the universe from its relationship to me. Darkness and light both, I accept as part of myself.

Sangress, your avatar reminds me of a group of shadow beings I encountered once during an astral projection. Very tall and gaunt hooded figures with glowing white eyes. I always saw the glowing eyes as a symbol of their essential inner light. Sort of reminded me of a yin/yang type metaphor

I don't know where I'm going with this... just that I get where you are coming from.

[illusion]

I know someone, a real physical person, who is suspected of having an entity attachment (loooong story) and there are times when I interact with her that I feel exactly that. I have consulted people who are willing and able to help clean my energy up, but they tell me they can't help her unless she comes to them. And let's just say that is unlikely. Any advice either to help her or me in interacting with her? Oh and is it possible that what I'm experiencing is just her personality - does those heavy, air sucked out feelings necessarily imply spirit involvement?

I don't know if what you are feeling is just coming from this particular person, or maybe something that is attached to her. If I were in your situation, I would use the same protection methods and focus techniques that I use with disincarnate beings that have this kind of presence. Just visualize some kind of protection around yourself, and assert your will that you won't allow anything to harm you or take your energy. If you want to also offer compassion and healing to this person, that is up to you.

One thing I believe about spirit attachments, that they are sort of similar to a codependent relationship. There is some reason why this woman has invited the attachment, something she is getting out of it. It would not be possible to remove it against her will, only when she feels that it no longer serves her. If I were you I would send this person extra energy to help bring the issues that caused the attachment to her conscious mind, so that they can be resolved. I would also ask my and her guides or guardians to help support her in her situation.

[Sangress]

I understand. In a way I sort of feel the same way. even though I consider myself on the "light" side, I spent many years walking a very dark path. I know what it's like to be in that mental space, and I have a lot of compassion for shadow beings or other humans who are on that wavelength. I also consider the shadows to be a part of my family, only because I am not able to exclude any part of the universe from its relationship to me. Darkness and light both, I accept as part of myself.

Sangress, your avatar reminds me of a group of shadow beings I encountered once during an astral projection. Very tall and gaunt hooded figures with glowing white eyes. I always saw the glowing eyes as a symbol of their essential inner light. Sort of reminded me of a yin/yang type metaphor

I don't know where I'm going with this... just that I get where you are coming from.
That's good to know.

I suppose I should also mention. I feed off others negative energy and emotions. I have lots of similarities to these kinds of spirits and I find that people often mistake me for one of them (this is when I am in a body and outside of it.) I also practice the "art" of possession, not being possessed, I mean the act itself.

Also, in your first post when you mentioned some things I could see why they react the way they do to some of your reactions and behaviours toward them. Offering healing is actually quite offensive when they actually aren't damaged at all, its a bit of an insult to their existence. Like your saying they are somehow "wrong" to their core, as if they are not meant to be the way they are.....

But anyways, I should stop rambling on.

I hope I've made it a bit clearer as to why I'm drawn to them and seek them out.

[norseman]

This is a very old view of the inkubus/sukkubus protection

The Hag Stone is a stone with a hole through it, which is believed to ward off witches and the 'evil eye'.

At night the hag stones should be hung on bed-posts to keep away the demons such as the Night Hag, Nightmare or Succubus who would invisibly seek out their sleeping victims.

I collect them on a local beach

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[illusion]

That's good to know.

I suppose I should also mention. I feed off others negative energy and emotions. I have lots of similarities to these kinds of spirits and I find that people often mistake me for one of them (this is when I am in a body and outside of it.) I also practice the "art" of possession, not being possessed, I mean the act itself.

Also, in your first post when you mentioned some things I could see why they react the way they do to some of your reactions and behaviours toward them. Offering healing is actually quite offensive when they actually aren't damaged at all, its a bit of an insult to their existence. Like your saying they are somehow "wrong" to their core, as if they are not meant to be the way they are.....

But anyways, I should stop rambling on.

I hope I've made it a bit clearer as to why I'm drawn to them and seek them out.


Actually, I am aware that my behavior is considered "offensive" from a shadow point of view. But these entities are coming to me, I don't seek them out. They are coming in to my space, so instead of giving them what they want (manufactured fear and hatred), I offer them the only genuine thing I have to give, which is love. It is actually a very elegant way to avoid being anyone's lunch :wink:

Thank you for explaining more about your attraction to shadows. Yes I do understand you better now. That is so interesting and unique. I have never had the chance to chat with someone who feeds off of negative emotions, or possesses others. Are those things something that you share with another consenting person, or is your host unaware of what you do?

I am not judging or condemning you, by the way. I don't know if that matters to you or not. But I am genuinely just curious and would like to hear more about your activities if you are willing to share.

peace.

[Sangress]

The Hag Stone is a stone with a hole through it, which is believed to ward off witches and the 'evil eye'.
Ah, I remember them. Those stones are interesting if a person knows how to use them effectively. I've heard in the past through various rumours that if a person is able to "see" (energy/spirits/view without personal perceptions) through the "eyepiece" of a Hagstone then they could communicate directly with the earth itself and are apparently "marked" to become something of the earths ambassador.

I've always wondered how the custom of using them as wards was first begun. I might research that.


It is actually a very elegant way to avoid being anyone's lunch
Hmm, elegant, but frustraiting and dare I say a bit pointless. I find its easier to just stay nutural so that the shadow can ghost you until you get into some strife, at which point they could feed off it and maybe cause the entire situation to end abruptly. They're all opportunists and, contrary to the belief that they create misfortune, I've come to understand that they are actually just drawn to it (like me.) I can see how people would think it is drawn to them, easy assumption to make.

I can predict the nature, the vague location and the general size of a lot of the unfortunate happenings in my area if I focus enough, but most of the time I just happen to be in the "wrong" place at the right time.

This is random, but I find it interesting so I'll mention it. The cancer wards of my local hospital are like a huge mecca for shadows, they take in a lot of the foul energy there and in a way it actually helps the patients stay balanced because the emotionally charged energy in the air doesn't cling to them, but rather gets "cleared.' So, in situations when there is fear and pain and crazy emotions on a large scale the natural consuming behaviour of shadows can be beneficial, sometimes even create a calming affect like being in the eye of a storm and, therefore, open the way to a swift recovery.


I am not judging or condemning you, by the way. I don't know if that matters to you or not. But I am genuinely just curious and would like to hear more about your activities if you are willing to share.
I've been condemned and judged enough for me to stop caring whether its happening or not. It looses its personal affect after a few decades. I'm sure you understand what I mean. I simply say each to his own and attempt to keep things as low key as possible. Safety and survival is always my top priority.

So yes, I'd be glad to share if you share in return. My knowledge for yours, that kind of deal.

Are those things something that you share with another consenting person, or is your host unaware of what you do?
Usually it's consented, but if I'm out of my body I tend not to think with the same moralistic "human" logic (if my normal logic can even be called moral. heh) so I tend to slip out of my body during the day (I'm mostly nocturnal outside of societys schooling timezones) and get some energy via dreamwalking and astral projection. I rarely take much from people around here since it takes a lot of energy to make my spirit form visible and to manipulate them in the ways that will give me the energy I am most attuned/specialised to take. To be blunt, targeting individuals around here isn't worth the effort. Small reward for a large risk.

With consenting persons I usually give healing in return for feeding off their own personal hang ups and nerves. Over a long period of time it can sometimes become a bit too much for some people, so I give them all the open choice to tell me when my services aren't needed any longer.

Unconsenting (when I am in a body) are those difficult situations where someones insulted me in a way that makes me loose my cool. It takes a lot to make me angry, and only a few specific things can do that, so it's often not a very common thing to have happen. I'm usually deathly calm and serene, which I'm told "creeps" people out...I suppose being creepy is better than being downright scary.

It may seem harsh, but the ones who do incite unpleasant reactions in me usually deserve all they recieve, and I do not say that lightly or from a personal perspective either because I take no satisfaction or pride in it. There are consequences for every action, I happen to naturally provoke those consequences tenfold if certain actions are taken against me. I've had people think I've cursed them before because of it, it can become a bit of a nusance but it just "happens" so I accept it as it is.

That's about all I can think to write at this point. Hope I've given you something to think about and not made myself appear too intense in the process.

What do you understand about shadows? Are there any specific situations you'd like to share?

[illusion]

Sangress, I really like your concept of the spirit world as a sort of balanced ecosystem, with entities fitting a particular energy niche to make a whole. That's a really cool idea. It reminds me a little of something a friend of mine told me once. He said there are spirits out there who would "eat" you, but in the way that a lion would eat a gazelle. that it's just a part of their nature and it's not necessary to think of it as "evil".

You seem to know a lot more about shadow nature than I do. Maybe when I say I'm not seeking them out or inviting them in, that could be true on a conscious level. But the emotional pain in me is drawing them. Like blood in the water would draw a shark. I will have to think about that more.

As for what I understand about shadow entities, very little. All of my encounters with them have been something akin to home invasion/attempted rape type scenarios. They're rarely in the mood to sit and chat over a cup of tea :wink: All I really know is that as you said there are dark beings that have no human form, that have probably never incarnated as human on earth. They appear to me as smaller than human size, sometimes slightly animal looking or they will have no shape and just be a kind of mist or a cloud. Sometimes they just want to climb around on the walls or the ceiling and watch me, other times they dart across the room and "jump" on me, which tends to black out my vision for a second. And there are shadow beings that look perfectly human, which might be people who have died physically and for whatever reason decided to take up feeding on low vibrations. I have not had any of those human ones try to jump me. They prefer to stand at the end of the bed and watch me. One of them last year was very strong, very distinct almost like a physical person standing there. That was the being that sucked all the air out of the room and I felt like there was a weight crushing me onto the bed. I also heard a ringing tone in my ears. No idea what that was all about.

I remember several years back one human looking shadow that was running through the woods following me as I was driving to work. I remember thinking how odd that was because I hardly ever see them when I'm away from home. Later that night as I was coming back, the car skidded on a patch of drifted snow and I landed in the ditch. This was on a sub-zero night with a pretty stiff wind, and I was not dressed for the walk home. It was on the same stretch of road where I had seen my little friend earlier. So I guess either he caused the accident, or sensed it was going to happen and was waiting for the dinner bell to ring.

That's about the extent of anything useful that I can share. The techniques I have developed to protect myself were based mostly on trial and error. Asking some protecting angel or guide to intervene and help me has never once gotten rid of a shadow being. Almost like everyone is standing back and waiting for me to handle it on my own. I treat my experiences as some kind of training, for a purpose I am not aware of.

[Sangress]

Sangress, I really like your concept of the spirit world as a sort of balanced ecosystem, with entities fitting a particular energy niche to make a whole. That's a really cool idea. It reminds me a little of something a friend of mine told me once. He said there are spirits out there who would "eat" you, but in the way that a lion would eat a gazelle. that it's just a part of their nature and it's not necessary to think of it as "evil".

Hah, thats very ironic considering that exact explanation is the one I use, even the metaphor with the lion and gazelle.

I think that there is such a thing as "pure evil", as in a natural and well placed kind of negativity or predatory/dangerious nature.

I also think that if something is meant to be "dark" then it will thrive in that kind of environment, but if something is imbalanced and an individual has become something like that, then they would seem ill and very unhappy/hatrfull/resentfull.

One of them last year was very strong, very distinct almost like a physical person standing there. That was the being that sucked all the air out of the room and I felt like there was a weight crushing me onto the bed. I also heard a ringing tone in my ears. No idea what that was all about.

I've been told I have that affect on others (I've deliberately instigated it a few times as well,) though my non-physical form isn't human in the least. As soon as I let my aura flow freely and stop restraining my energy and keeping control, then the room drops in temperature, people around me feel like there is a weight over them (my aura i think) and they all feel the energy/breath getting dragged out of them.

I find it quite interesting that some shadows do that whilst others don't, perhaps the shadowy appearence has to do with a deeper energetic resonance rather than actually being energetically predatory. I have yet to figure it all out.

Thank you for sharing, it's brought up a couple of things that have verified behaviours I've watched in different "types" of shadows. I could detail my version of them if you like, though its all from personal experience so it probably wont be in line with what other websites/people write.

[Lynn]

Hello

I share here how I came to learn on Succubus.....

What is a Succubus?

The Succubus is often confused with a Psychic Vampire but they are two different things. Yes both drain energies but the Succubus is not human in form as having a living physical body.

The Succubus is often referred to as a demon that takes on the shape of a female, said to steal energies from men in their sleep. In the 15th Century came forth the Incubus the male counterpart of the Succubus. The Incubus takes on male form to drain energy from woman in their sleep.

They are thought to appear mostly in sleep. They are said to possess the ability to have sexual relations with their victims. Draining energies in that manner. It is said that Witches were able to have sexual relations with such demons. It is also thought that relations with such can bring forth a pregnancy in a woman.

In the more modern trains of thought the coming forth of the Succubus or Incubus is from repressed sexual feelings.

Both the Succubus and the Incubus are said to hold great beauty. This is said to be used to make then attract to one easier.

Now something else is what is known as "Shadow People"


Lynn

[Sangress]

Thanks for the input Lynn. :)

[illusion]

I could detail my version of them if you like, though its all from personal experience so it probably wont be in line with what other websites/people write.

Yes please share what you know, if you don't mind. It doesn't matter if what you have to say doesn't "fit". That only makes it more interesting and more useful, like a different puzzle piece.

[mattie]

How do you define ‘Shadow spirits.’ This could help to provide information.

[illusion]

hi mattie, greetings from a fellow Louisiana native. I was born and raised in Houma, LA :smile:

I define spirits by how they appear to me visually. "shadow spirits" are literally dark black in appearance. their energy feels heavy and oppressive. their behavior also is different from light spirits, as they seem to be mostly takers, and not givers. they are a little bit tricksy and manipulative, and require some wariness/guardedness when they are around.

just my own definition.

[Lynn]

Hello


Here is a bit to think on for what I know as "Shadow People" .....as I have over the year's worked with many trying to understand what we have seen. This too is just how I have come to undersatnd it.



What are Shadow People? Are they real?
Or a trick of the of eye’s and mind?
Have ye ever asked oneself if ye really did see something or someone out of the corner of one’s eye. This event seems to be happening more and more often or are we just accepting more in talking about such things?
Your sitting watching TV say and ye see a shadowy figure of human form moves across the room. It passes by quickly so you are going ok did I or did I not SEE something?
What was it? Something that naturally made the shadow?
Over drive with one's imagination or being over tired?
Or does ye's mind go to something paranormal?
When one's mind come into tune more with acceptance this be real one can focus on them more it seems. Now who or what are these Shadow People?
Imagination? Skeptics would simply say it be a trick of the mind in play. As it’s out of the corner of one’s eye most often, then it’s not in clear focus our of the range of clear sight. The human eye and mind can be easily fooled Yes or No?
Open for debate some that might well be.
Ghosts?
When one talks on seeing a Ghost one often describes a white mistish appearance. Shadow People are described as black or greyish. In many Ghost image sightings the image is very human like in form, not always the case with Shadow People. More blackish and lacking a lot of form details. Ghosts often have a clothing outline one can make out.
Demons?

The notion of something black or darkish takes one's mind to something negative in nature. White is thought pure and Black is thought not pure. If Shadow People are Demons in nature how come there be no reported cases to really support such activity? As the sightings seem huge
support such activity. As the sightings seem huge in numbers.
Are Shadow People simply ye stepping from one's body in an Astral Plane Journey? When seen in most cases the one reporting the event is in a relaxed state of being. Reading or watching TV, with music ext. Are we simply stepping out of oneself and not realizing that is happening?

Aliens or Interdimentional Enties?

Do other dimensions even exist? That is open for great debate. If they truly exist could they be looking into our World as we do in theirs in our Astral Travels? Time is said to be fluid. We are exploring more and more with our minds, and this could be simply the next level of “evolution “happening. The moving forward of the human level of consciousness? Is the door simply opening up more to the other dimensions for us? Are we ready for that time will tell that tale?



Lynn

[Lynn]

Hello


Here is a bit to think on for what I know as "Shadow People" .....as I have over the year's worked with many trying to understand what we have seen. This too is just how I have come to undersatnd it.



What are Shadow People? Are they real?
Or a trick of the of eye’s and mind?
Have ye ever asked oneself if ye really did see something or someone out of the corner of one’s eye. This event seems to be happening more and more often or are we just accepting more in talking about such things?
Your sitting watching TV say and ye see a shadowy figure of human form moves across the room. It passes by quickly so you are going ok did I or did I not SEE something?
What was it? Something that naturally made the shadow?
Over drive with one's imagination or being over tired?
Or does ye's mind go to something paranormal?
When one's mind come into tune more with acceptance this be real one can focus on them more it seems. Now who or what are these Shadow People?
Imagination? Skeptics would simply say it be a trick of the mind in play. As it’s out of the corner of one’s eye most often, then it’s not in clear focus our of the range of clear sight. The human eye and mind can be easily fooled Yes or No?
Open for debate some that might well be.
Ghosts?
When one talks on seeing a Ghost one often describes a white mistish appearance. Shadow People are described as black or greyish. In many Ghost image sightings the image is very human like in form, not always the case with Shadow People. More blackish and lacking a lot of form details. Ghosts often have a clothing outline one can make out.
Demons?

The notion of something black or darkish takes one's mind to something negative in nature. White is thought pure and Black is thought not pure. If Shadow People are Demons in nature how come there be no reported cases to really support such activity? As the sightings seem huge
support such activity. As the sightings seem huge in numbers.
Are Shadow People simply ye stepping from one's body in an Astral Plane Journey? When seen in most cases the one reporting the event is in a relaxed state of being. Reading or watching TV, with music ext. Are we simply stepping out of oneself and not realizing that is happening?

Aliens or Interdimentional Enties?

Do other dimensions even exist? That is open for great debate. If they truly exist could they be looking into our World as we do in theirs in our Astral Travels? Time is said to be fluid. We are exploring more and more with our minds, and this could be simply the next level of “evolution “happening. The moving forward of the human level of consciousness? Is the door simply opening up more to the other dimensions for us? Are we ready for that time will tell that tale?



Lynn

[mattie]

hi mattie, greetings from a fellow Louisiana native. I was born and raised in Houma, LA :smile:

Laissez les bons temps rouler.

I define spirits by how they appear to me visually. "shadow spirits" are literally dark black in appearance. their energy feels heavy and oppressive. their behavior also is different from light spirits, as they seem to be mostly takers, and not givers. they are a little bit tricksy and manipulative, and require some wariness/guardedness when they are around.
...

We can deal w/ any negative spirits easily. (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=156097&posted=1#post156097)I call them the stalled 4D jokers because of the proclivity of many of them to be tricky & less than straightforward in how they present.

[Sangress]

Yes please share what you know, if you don't mind. It doesn't matter if what you have to say doesn't "fit". That only makes it more interesting and more useful, like a different puzzle piece.
How do you define ‘Shadow spirits.’ This could help to provide information.

Ok, I’ll write up as much as I can pull off the top of my head, this post will probably be quite lengthily.

I define shadow spirits of any kind as being an individual with a specific type of energy which have a very disjointed and almost random low toned vibratory pattern. These spirits are most often seen with dark static-like shadowy features and can be of varying densities and can have either a single, or varying forms.

I don’t include spirits faking shadow-like identities for their own purposes as being shadows themselves because it isn’t their natural state of being.

Two of the main signs of a shadows presence are a severe decline in air pressure and temperature and noticeable alteration of the atmosphere of an area (such as an unusual and sudden change in the density of the air,)

I’ve personally witnessed shadows hosting in physical bodies via possession, soul bonds, as well as energetic attachments and constructs. I have yet to personally communicate with a shadow who has been incarnate themselves though I think that such a thing is possible.

I’ve separated shadows into 4 categories which I’ve decided to name after what I know of their origins.

Accumulative Shadows

These shadows are seen as being extremely solid, like a litteral physical shadow and often have a single terrestrial form (such as a human or animal…not sure about plants.) I find these shadows to be quite basic and whom often mirror the behavior of whoever they are communicating with. They have a naturally inquisitive nature and often choose in specific places to inhabit which suits their personal preferences. These shadows aren’t a direct threat to incarnates and have often co-existed well with other spirits.

Because of the fixed nature of these shadows forms (which they cannot change), they are the most often photographed and seen. However, since their energy isn’t of a high velocity they are quite hard to film (not sure how that works, but I’ve tested the theory out and gotten the same results each time.)

Through conversing with such shadows I have found that many are indigenous to this state of existence (the physical world) and that they often form naturally over varying periods of time and mimic whichever animal they first bond closely with, which becomes their natural form.
I’ve also heard a couple of varying accounts about shadows shedding any coalesced energy that they find to be too bulky and dense to carry around. In circumstances where shadows meet whilst “shedding” this energy can then attract and accumulate other shadow energies to form a smaller shadow with sentience of its own which then develops and finds a form of it’s own (a majority of the ones I’ve seen be created this way happen to take the forms of children or small animals, I find this may be because of their overall smaller volume.)

Evolved Shadows

These shadows are much like the previous in the sense that they have a fixed form which is terrestrial, but these shadows can vary in density and definition. Their energy flows in the same way a ghosts would, so areas of their form can be indistinct or blurry or opaque whilst other areas are dark and solid looking.

These shadows are often disruptive and constantly in motion. They often seem to be wandering aimlessly, but in reality they always focus on some specific goal and have something of a one track mind so they are quite difficult to converse with. The auras of these spirits are quite physically oriented so they often affect physical objects in their vicinity, seemingly in the same way as a poltergeist, only without intent and often no more than vibrating/shaking objects around them or dragging loose objects in the outer layers of their auras.

Also, unlike the former spirits, these shadows have differing origins. The origin of a majority of these shadows seems to be that they were once ghosts (souls of the deceased) who simply took an alternative “evolutionary path” and became attuned to lower vibration energies. Others claim to be astral projector’s who have attachments to either the former or latter shadow type.

Foreign Shadows

These shadows are often described in various ways because they are able to change their forms at will (though I do believe each does have a natural form,) one very common tip off as to this kind of spirit is that they are able to portray a small amount of color through their forms (often as shining eyes or a glow emanating out of the form itself.) These shadows are known to provoke negative affects on incarnates and discarnate’s alike because their nature is predatory (they feed on various forms energy from external sources to keep them metaphysically balanced.) The behavior of these shadows varies greatly from individual to individual and they seem to be very elusive.

One marked difference I have seen among the previous types of shadows and this kind is that this kind is actually able to create auditory sound. A common occurrence in the presence of such a spirit is to hear them “breathing” loudly. I believe this “breathing” may be the sound of the shadow pulling in and filtering energy (inhale pulls energy in, exhale filters and disperses any unneeded components of that energy itself.)

It seems clear to me that the origin of this type of shadow is not strictly physical considering I’ve watched a number of them “teleport” and come and go through specific areas.


Other Shadows

These are shadows which I have yet to place in any category because they have characteristics of more then one category, or no characteristics at all.

One of this category seems to be a “mixed” spirit with both the black static energy pertaining to shadows themselves, and white low velocity energy as well. (One I witnessed had a white inner core, while the outer layers of its form and aura were shadow-like.)

Another would be a shadow that is completely white in color which I witnessed clinging to a tree about 4 years ago, it had the same energetic feel to it, but looked completely different (maybe there are albino spirits. Heh.)


Ok, now for the sake of the length of this post I’ll leave my own descriptions of skills and behavior’s I think are inherent to shadows themselves for a later time (if anyone is interested after that looong speel.)

[Tindra]

I have seen a lot in that state right before waking up but have not learned that much about what it is that I see. Most of what I see are smaller entities that act like a swarm or at least seem to act in unison. I suppose these would fall into the category of shadow beings.

If I am angry they tend to glow red, if I am scared they tend to be black or dark in color. I tried changing my emotional state from fear and anger to something more positive using violet flame meditation and one of those critter clumps changed color to bright violet to match. I have seen them look like scribbles on the wall in various colors, as blobs, as spheres of various material, as spheres with tendrils (various versions), as a jumbled string like loose clump of yarn, as a bird, as fish, as a swarm of wasps or yellow jackets, as a man shaped out of smaller spheres, as clusters of spheres like grapes, they even came together and formed a rotating pyramid on the palm of my hand during one brief OOBE. They occasionally manifest like two dimensional objects, like newspaper clippings or a computer display with images and text for me to look at.

I have tried redirecting my gaze during this state and this whatever it is does not follow my gaze at all. These do not seem to be afterimages. They usually move to some area that is shaded and dissipate or phase out as I become more awake.

I see these things about once a week and have seen them that frequently for about two years now. It seems to go along with other types of experiences, such as lucid dreams, OOBEs, and telepathy.

I have tried to communicate with these sorts of things without much luck. The only thing that did seem to work was to imitate something I saw in a lucid dream and it involved connecting energies with it. I tried it during one OOBE and "heard" a long rant as a result in some foreign and voluminous language. :confused:

One visitor, whom I am almost certain was either thinking about me or was projecting to my location, appeared a bit like this:

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac11/CieloSL/Blotch.jpg

Not sure how to categorize any of it and whenever I try something else happens that makes it necessary to modify the most recent concept of what these things are. At the moment all I got is a half formed idea involving thoughtforms, astral matter, astral critters, and partial projections.

That's the "small" entities. As for larger entities, I have only seen a few of those. I have had two visits from a black entity (looked like the silhouette or shadow of a tall, skinny man or humanoid) with an intense electric blue glow who tried to lift me out of body and on the second try tried to drag me away from the body. I could go on and on, but I don't have a clue what these things are. All I can really do is to write it all down (and it is turning into a very long list) and hope that one day it will make some sort of sense.

[illusion]

Ok, I’ll write up as much as I can pull off the top of my head, this post will probably be quite lengthily....


....I don’t include spirits faking shadow-like identities for their own purposes as being shadows themselves because it isn’t their natural state of being....


Accumulative Shadows

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Evolved Shadows

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Foreign Shadows

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Other Shadows

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Ok, now for the sake of the length of this post I’ll leave my own descriptions of skills and behavior’s I think are inherent to shadows themselves for a later time (if anyone is interested after that looong speel.)



Sangress that is truly amazing reading. Wow. I have never seen these kinds of details anywhere in my own searches for information.

May I ask, how did you learn about all of this? Intuition? Observation?

Thanks so much for sharing what you know. Extremely interesting!

About the concept of the "natural" shadow being, versus an entity who is faking a shadow identity.... so all entities have a kind of innate orientation, that they can consciously alter if they choose? And aligning yourself with an energy which doesn't match your own natural energy is somehow uncomfortable or difficult to maintain. Can I ask, what do you feel would be the motivation to masquerade as a shadow if you aren't naturally one?

Also anything else you would like to share about shadow behavior would be really appreciated. Info like this is hard to come by. :cool:

[illusion]

Tindra, when I was a kid I saw things similar to what you are describing, and like the picture you posted. When I told my parents they took me to be tested for brain abnormalities, and schizophrenia. :rolleyes:

No one was able to explain what I was seeing, except to say I was a highly imaginative child. The lights and objects faded out by the time I was in high school, and haven't returned. I've actually heard this is an extremely common thing in children under the age of 10. No idea what it is though.

So you are an adult experiencing these things? Interesting. I always called it "spirit vision" and I miss having it, to be honest.

[Sangress]

Sangress that is truly amazing reading. Wow. I have never seen these kinds of details anywhere in my own searches for information
I'm glad you found it to be of some use. As I said, most of it doesnt "fit" what most people understand of shadows.

May I ask, how did you learn about all of this? Intuition? Observation?
It's basically personal first-hand experience and a lot of instinct driven activities and some natural metaphysical skills on the side.

I can meet and greet spirits as easily as I can stalk and blackmail them, so yeh...jack of all trades I suppose. Heh.

Thanks so much for sharing what you know. Extremely interesting!
No problem. I haven't shared that information before so I was interested to see peoples reactions. To be honest I was a bit hesitant about the entire subject because some small things I have mentioned and shown to people (namely ghost enthusiasts) in the past has basically made them freak out a LOT.

About the concept of the "natural" shadow being, versus an entity who is faking a shadow identity.... so all entities have a kind of innate orientation, that they can consciously alter if they choose?
From what I know, all entities have like a basic core energy (I just call it a soul for conveniences sake) which dictates what type of spirit they are and how their opperate and oftentimes how they behave and survive on an instinctual level.

Most spirits can alter their appearence in some way just like you or I can change our hairstyle or behave in a different way. From what I've seen it's all just a form of communication or a means to an end.

And aligning yourself with an energy which doesn't match your own natural energy is somehow uncomfortable or difficult to maintain.
Ah, see this is where things get interesting. Different spirits are made of different energetic componants (kind of like energetic DNA) and some of those componants can be intollerant of certain energies.

For example, I can't cope with certain frequencies of energy on any level (physically, mentally or metaphysically.) Two things that hold that specific frequency (among many others) is the metal gold and the sun itself...which poses a heap of issues for me considering the damage it inflicts on me metaphysically is also mirrored physically and so on and so forth....my point is, my soul/core energy cannot adjust or climatise to that type of energy and therefore that energy is harmfull to me and always will be.

Now, just for the sake of an example, if I was to manipulate the energy of the sun and use it for some purpose it would be immensly painfull (I've been stabbed before...and I can tell you that is nothing compared to the pain when I tried to use that specific kind of energy...its beyond agony, very hard to put into words) and the energy itself would be unmanagable as well considering I wouldn't be able to blend my own energy with it....it'd be like the metaphysical version of setting my hand on fire so I can light a cigarrette and having nothing to douse the flame.


Can I ask, what do you feel would be the motivation to masquerade as a shadow if you aren't naturally one?
I've had times where a spirit has been startled (or scared ****less) by me and they've altered their energy so that they look stronger than they really are, more intimidating and generally untouchable.

Of course I knew it was an act, I always know since I can see straight to everythings soul/core energy.

So, in the same way a possum will play dead, or a puffer fish will puff up or a dog will raise its hackles, some spirits change their outter appearence so that they seem more dangerious and threatening than they really are because they feel threatened. It's a pretty natural thing.

Another example (personal expereince again) is that a spirit is in a tough situation, surrounded by other dangerious spirits who would probably like to terrorise it, so it mimicks them in the hope that it remains unnoticed....or it curls itself into an orb so as to not be noticed whilst it puts some distance between it and the threat.

Yet another reason that just occured to me would be simply that some spirits mimick eachother to make it easier to communicate with eachother. For example, a spirit with a higher vibration of energy probably wont be completely visible to a spirit thats on a different "wavelength" of vibration to it, so that first spirit lowers its vibe to make things easier on the other one. It's a bit like the difference between talking to someone from the other side of a brick wall or speaking directly to their face.

Also, some spirits have a specific energetic language thats basically comprised for flashes in their aura and other things (think of how chaemlions or cuttle fish communicate visually) so some spirits need to adjust their energy to suit the chosen language.

Also anything else you would like to share about shadow behavior would be really appreciated. Info like this is hard to come by. :cool:
I certainly will when I get the time. I've got about 20 behaviours listed in one of my notebooks...somewhere...that fit shadows pretty well, and a few others that might be part of a broader scale of behaviours too.

Also, considering I have a 2 week break from school I am pretty sure I'll finally be able to go on a few more of my "ghost hunts" to gather some extra intel from some of my spirit associates. Looking forward to filling in some extra peices of a particular puzzle connected to shadows (hopefully I'll be able to find out where they go when they aren't "here" and how they "flash" out of existence.)

[illusion]

No problem. I haven't shared that information before so I was interested to see peoples reactions. To be honest I was a bit hesitant about the entire subject because some small things I have mentioned and shown to people (namely ghost enthusiasts) in the past has basically made them freak out a LOT.

This kind of stuff doesn't freak me out, I understand that for some people, even talking about shadow spirits is too creepy, or somehow inviting them in. I don't feel that way. I've learned to be at peace with whoever and whatever is out there, however different from me it may be. This entire subject interests me mostly because I've got shadows showing up on my doorstep whether I want them there or not, and I need some way of understanding what I am experiencing.

So, many thanks to you for providing that way. The entire shadow realm is something I can't really access firsthand, not even entirely sure it's something I would WANT to access. I have the wrong vibration to fit into a world like that. It would be like throwing steak in a tiger cage, more or less. But talking with you is a bit like hearing from someone who's been to China and speaks the language, when maybe all I'll ever do is eat the take-out.

So for expanding my worldview, thank you.


Now, just for the sake of an example, if I was to manipulate the energy of the sun and use it for some purpose it would be immensly painfull


I've had times where a spirit has been startled (or scared ****less) by me and they've altered their energy so that they look stronger than they really are, more intimidating and generally untouchable.

Of course I knew it was an act, I always know since I can see straight to everythings soul/core energy.

So, in the same way a possum will play dead, or a puffer fish will puff up or a dog will raise its hackles, some spirits change their outter appearence so that they seem more dangerious and threatening than they really are because they feel threatened.

This kind of stuff is so beyond my level of experience, its not even funny. It sounds actually like a Carlos Castaneda book, manipulating energy and spirits faking each other out and engaging in power struggles and stand-offs. (I don't mean that comparison in an offensive way, I actually like Castaneda's books and I own many of them). Sorcery and energy manipulation is not something I would ever pursue personally so I appreciate hearing about your experiences.

Ghost hunts, sounds cool. Enjoy your vacation and happy exploring. :wink:

[Tindra]

Sorry about the previous dump.

I know a little bit about the topic. Most of what I have come across that has tried to feed on me is human, or rather, have a human body, at this time. I used to be "used" to gather energy and redirect it to someone who needed it, like you if I remember one of your previous posts correctly. I felt compassion but it reached a point where that individual not only took it for granted but tried to take it all. So I cut it off and took it all back. I felt completely justified and have no qualms about it.

So I finally realized I have a need but no longer wanted to get it if it harmed another. I returned the energy and searched high and low for a source that would not be harmed. It was a bit like a predator deciding to become a vegetarian. I aged about 10 years or more the time it took to find a new source, or rather it found me, not sure how that worked.

Long story short, that is how I met someone who is compatible with me. His energy combined with mine generates even more energy, so both benefit. From that blending process with him I have become incompatible with other people, so I no longer get anything out of the usual exchange. The benefit is that what I lost during the search was regained and then some, the drawback is that I am not sure I would ever be able to find a replacement since I have changed in the process.

I believe that hunger is the root cause of all that is wrong from bickering spouses, child rape, torture, wars, you name it. It is like a bunch of zombies turned against one another, and the energy is not that good. People like to blame demons and spirits for everything and forget that they are the ones who are making the decision to do something that ultimately harms someone else for their own gain. If people found that special someone who can give them that mutually beneficial zap I bet this reality would be a whole lot better than it is.

Thank you for being so honest and upfront about this topic.

[Sangress]

Thank you for being so honest and upfront about this topic.

Same to you.

I can relate to your point of view and I've seen "couplings" with people who benefit eachother in the way you describe. It's a really nice thing to see amongst the "zombies."

[Goldenstairs]

For me,
The spirits have been around me all my life.
I do not call them they just come to me.
Some times they scare me so bad.But I feel a protection around me.

[SunMist]

Now, just for the sake of an example, if I was to manipulate the energy of the sun and use it for some purpose it would be immensly painfull (I've been stabbed before...and I can tell you that is nothing compared to the pain when I tried to use that specific kind of energy...its beyond agony, very hard to put into words) and the energy itself would be unmanagable as well considering I wouldn't be able to blend my own energy with it....it'd be like the metaphysical version of setting my hand on fire so I can light a cigarrette and having nothing to douse the flame.


That reminds me of an old thread - did you ever resolve or find out more about the golden light / church problem?

And just to mention something you probably know all about already, on some of those reality ghost hunting shows, Ghost Hunters in particular they've got some really good footage of shadows. I think it was the Ohio prison http://www.ohio.com/lifestyle/ohio-travel/ghost-hunters-resume-at-ohio-prison-1.89314

[Sangress]

That reminds me of an old thread - did you ever resolve or find out more about the golden light / church problem?

Turns out theres an energy source (a place the souls are created from or of) that has the same kind of vibe that I can't handle. The whole church thing and the golden light thing is all derived from that source so I cant exactly "resolve" it, but at least I understand it for what it is.

I'm amazed you remembered that post, I almost forgot about it myself. Heh.

And just to mention something you probably know all about already, on some of those reality ghost hunting shows, Ghost Hunters in particular they've got some really good footage of shadows. I think it was the Ohio prison http://www.ohio.com/lifestyle/ohio-t...prison-1.89314 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ohio.com%2Flifesty le%2Fohio-travel%2Fghost-hunters-resume-at-ohio-prison-1.89314) http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/images/evonature/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=331572)

I've heard of the ghost tours in that place, apparently its usually quite lively.

[SunMist]

Turns out theres an energy source (a place the souls are created from or of) that has the same kind of vibe that I can't handle. The whole church thing and the golden light thing is all derived from that source so I cant exactly "resolve" it, but at least I understand it for what it is.

I'm amazed you remembered that post, I almost forgot about it myself. Heh.

Interesting stuff - the idea of places having different energies has always been fascinating to me which is why that thread stood out as I'd never thought of it a particular light frequency like you described in the churches. Makes me wonder what the colors are in places of worship for other religions.

[Sangress]

Makes me wonder what the colors are in places of worship for other religions.

Hmm, now you have me curious as well.....I think I might look into that and then revive that topic when (if) I find something interesting.

Now, onto other things.....

Ok, so here is my list of behaviours and skills that I’ve found in a couple of my notebooks. There are a few more to add, but I just don’t have time so I can do it later. These are all my own personal terms as well so you might already know a term for some things.

The things with a * beside it are also skills and behaviours that spirits who are not shadows show. At the bottom there are a few things listed that shadows can’t do, but spirits can.

Some of these skills also apply to incarnates, which I’ve pointed out in brackets.

Shade Jumping – a common instinctual behaviour where a shadow moves only in areas of natural shadows so as to remain unseen by physical eyes.
*Cloaking –an energetic and telepathic illusion caused by a reflex within a shadows aura when another beings consciousness makes contact with it, this is the reason why most shadows can only be seen in the peripheral vision. The reflex itself can be controlled with some willpower, but most shadows see no reason to allow themselves to be “seen” by most eyes since it is quite an intimate privilege. (I do this myself, so I am sure this isn’t limited to shadows or simply spirits.)
Flitting – a natural shadow locomotion that makes the spirit seem to dart and blur quickly as it moves. This also creates an afterimage affect which makes it difficult to follow the spirits passage.
*Misting – the act of a shadow consciously stretching out and thinning the density of its form so as to appear like a grey mist, this is useful if a shadow wants to increase the range of its awareness and remain partially hidden from other spirits. Not an instantaneous process. (Haven’t measured the amount of time it takes to complete because I can’t tell when a shadow has finished misting and reached its limit.)
Shedding – a derivative of the natural way all beings constantly disperse excess energy from their aura. It is deliberate, sporadic and can be performed for the purpose of “reproduction” in some cases.
Gathering – the opposite of misting (and only occurring after misting) often causing a shadow to appear as one or more irregular blobs. The process takes around 12 minutes at the least depending on the size of the shadow.
*Pressurising – the act of manipulating ambient energy to become resistant around the aura or form so as to interact with physical objects. This process is also described as “magnetising” due to the push and pull affect the resistance of the energy creates on physical surfaces. (This would be called telekinesis if an incarnate is capable of honing the skill, it’s also a skill which severely interferes with electronics.)
Feinting – a flash of light caused by a swift pressurised movement which draws the eye and allows a shadow to flit out of the vicinity without being seen (not to be confused with “lighting.”) The colour of the flash itself is unique to the particular individual’s strength/skill/energy signature.
Step Through – the act of “opening” a doorway/portal to a different state of existence and simultaneously “stepping” through it (most times spirits leave these doorways open for others to use.)

Non-shadow skills

Lighting – the act of a spirit instantaneously raising and fluctuating their vibe and energy to such a degree that it brings them into another state of existence (because certain vibrations cannot exist in this place for numerous reasons.) This action creates a flash of light that seemingly has no source and also a high pitched ringing tone that lingers after it (can only be heard sometimes.)
Skelpting – a form of swift communication using strings of high velocity energy to connect to other spirits that would otherwise be unreachable. (Incarnates do this as well on a subconscious level.)
Blending – the act of a spirit mixing their own energy with other types of energy, there are various purposes for this, the most reason for such is to allow a spirit form a clearer awareness and understanding of the energy that is being blended, or to be able to operate without a certain energy interfering with them. (Incarnates can do this to some degree.)

Ok, so yeh…if you have any questions or things to add then feel free to ask or share. Hope that’s of some use to someone.

[norseman]

Sangress, I came across some stuff regarding hag stones in Emma Wilby's book. I will dig it back out for you - referred to 17/18th century.

[Sangress]

Sangress, I came across some stuff regarding hag stones in Emma Wilby's book. I will dig it back out for you - referred to 17/18th century

:D Thank you!!

[Amilius777]

From personal experience and what others have encountered "Shadow People" are sometimes spirits who refused to shed light on their identities usually because of self-hatred and disgust.

And sometimes they are downright evil, spirits from the astral who are very dark and are of negative influence. They obviously find a doorway into your life and escape their astral karma.

I do not believe they are the Christian "evil demon". Meaning they are pure evil. Most things that people think are pure evil or "demons" are negative thought forms they created or if it is attacking a very enlightened person like the Buddha, it is a manifestation of the Devil. And no i don't mean lucifer the mythology. I mean the opposite energy of God. But I think most people deal with negative thought-forms, energy or lost souls in their daily life.

[Sangress]

Thank you for offering your opinion, amilius. I think lots of people share that view. I agree with a fair bit of it.

[Bluegreen]

I am not sure if this falls under the heading shadow spirits.

I was asleep--unconscious--when suddenly I became aware of a black figure. It said one word. I also saw the word spelled or I would not have known that it contained a silent 'h'.

It was over in seconds it seemed. I woke up with my heart racing although I do not remember being afraid.

I googled the word. It was a Czechoslovakian word meaning tear, the kind that flows from the eyes.

To this day I have wondered what it meant and why a black figure.

I came across succubus a long time ago. All I remember is that a succubus desires sexual encounters.

By the way, Sangress, I saw your drawings. They are beautiful, you are beautiful.
For what it is worth.

[vulkus]

Sang, I have dropped hints in many of your posts. Search them out and you will find some of your answers. Seek me out and you will find many more.